Alessio Secco (41 Viewers)

[Osman]

Just added that t bring a smile in you face, i m glad it worked!!
I m tired of personal conflicts, peace!

Yes it did

And nothing personal, but you really need to be less insanely biased, and inventing ridicolous theories just so you can complain about something.

 

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[Raz]

Cron, I agree with you that we could have done better, but it is what it is now, and so far we see improvements from Secco, this transfer market hasn't even opened yet, and we have some good signings already and maybe few more on the way, and if we will sign a solid RB, bring back Criscito and maybe some potential CB for the future, it will be a job well done.

But there is no need to pick on Secco about Tiago transfer, because as far as i know he was regarded as a good purchace, so will we blame Secco if Diego will fail? Some of people here certainly would.

So what I'm trying to say don't go singing doom songs about our future, because you can't deny that it all goes better season after season, with experience gained pur board will do better, no need to shout in every thread that we will be doomed.

 

[Martin]

But there is no need to pick on Secco about Tiago transfer, because as far as i know he was regarded as a good purchace, so will we blame Secco if Diego will fail? Some of people here certainly would.

Of course. It's the job of a manager to make successful transfers. If he he makes transfers that look good on paper because the player is famous, and then turns out to be a flop, then how is it a good transfer?

Do you think Quaresma was a good transfer?

 

[Cronios]

Secco has indeed done better and i am pleased with his work, this year, so far!
But to consider him a decent manager, i would really want to see him, making a decent profit from a sale, because spending is easy!

Making a profit from a player he has bought, under those circumstances can be really challenging. But it will prove his qualities, enhanced or not!

I do believe/hope that Juve will have a better future, but not with the current board! I believe them to be our greatest weakness atm.
I m not saying that we are doomed, i never said, that was just Jack's, favorite quote to mock me...
I hope that we will try to minimize damages, just like Secco is trying, but we should not forget our past mistakes, because we might repeat them again...
And we might also locate our weakness and eradicate them!

 

[HelterSkelter]

Of course. It's the job of a manager to make successful transfers. If he he makes transfers that look good on paper because the player is famous, and then turns out to be a flop, then how is it a good transfer?

Do you think Quaresma was a good transfer?

The manager can get you quality players.Quarsema is a quality player.He didnt work in Italy.

How can the manager be held responsible for a quality purchase failing on the pitch?he gets a quality player.And that's where the player takes over.You cant blame the manager if the player doesnt hit form.

 

[Martin]

The manager can get you quality players.Quarsema is a quality player.He didnt work in Italy.

How can the manager be held responsible for a quality purchase failing on the pitch?he gets a quality player.And that's where the player takes over.You cant blame the manager if the player doesnt hit form.

But the manager is responsible for the whole thing. If Ranieri said "I gave them a great formation to play and told them everything they needed to know, then it was they themselves who didn't play well', would you accept that as an excuse?

 

[HelterSkelter]

I would.The player was obviously not able to adapt well.

Buying an unknown player is a differnet case.But if you buy a proven top quaity player,and he flops at your club,then you cant hold the manager responsible for that.He did what every manager would do - buy a great player.

Sure,the manager would get most of the shit.But it shouldnt be that way.Veron was a top drawer signing for Manutd.But you cant hold Ferguson,or the Man Utd managment responsible for his failure.The same goes for Quaresma at Inter,Morientes at Liverpool so on and so forth.

 

[Cronios]

Unless, he was misused...

 

[DelpieroForLife]

That's too much even for you Cronios.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Unless, he was misused...

Like what?Sexually abused or something?


Even if a player wasnt used properly,the blame should fall on the coach.Not the manager.He doesnt work with the team on the pitch.

 

[Cronios]

Like forced to play out of position, in a manner he would never be efficient...

 

[Martin]

I would.The player was obviously not able to adapt well.

Buying an unknown player is a differnet case.But if you buy a proven top quaity player,and he flops at your club,then you cant hold the manager responsible for that.He did what every manager would do - buy a great player.

Sure,the manager would get most of the shit.But it shouldnt be that way.Veron was a top drawer signing for Manutd.But you cant hold Ferguson,or the Man Utd managment responsible for his failure.The same goes for Quaresma at Inter,Morientes at Liverpool so on and so forth.

Well, it depends on the case. I mean I wouldn't hold a coach responsible for Adriano or Cassano, they're just completely unprofessional. But as long as you have a player who is then I think it's the manager's responsibility to get the best out of him. Of course, this doesn't mean the player is blameless, I'm just saying the manager always has to take the same amount of blame because he's in charge.

This is how all hierarchies work. The boss has to take the blame for his underlings. (Maybe it's time to realize this, mr. wanna be manager )

 

[Stephan]

I am starting to question maybe it was all to do with our managers inept in the first place?

Tiago has done fairly well in his previous teams, his not a world beater but he didnt flop either. He was a decent player for chelsea, but imo where he really started to excel was lyon. The system they played their suited him a lot. And he could provide those balls what Andy D) has been talkin about ever since we signed him.

So what happens then, Secco buys him (is he Seccos buy or Ranieris buy?), in the end it doesnt matter, point being he didnt excel here, he was a backup to guys like Nocerino.

For me personally, i think Tiago doesnt suit to straight 4-4-2, rather play diamond or play differently, like lyon played something of a 4-3-2-1.

 

[Stephan]

Oh and just to add, if a good offer comes, get rid of him, his not a world beater, and we clearly have had problems adapting him to our group.

In all fairness i dont quite get how players can literally disagree with managers(transfer manager), secco wanted to sell/loan tiago to epl, tiago himself rejected. Wasnt there just possible to do something about this, forcing him to leave. Lock him to toilet

This is something i just dont quite get, he was clearly not enjoying his time when it came to football, yet he didnt want to leave. The paycheck must have been so good then. Does that mean Tiago knows more about something than we? That his actually an average player who gets more paid than some of our league rival top players? Food for thought.

 

[HelterSkelter]

Well, it depends on the case. I mean I wouldn't hold a coach responsible for Adriano or Cassano, they're just completely unprofessional. But as long as you have a player who is then I think it's the manager's responsibility to get the best out of him. Of course, this doesn't mean the player is blameless, I'm just saying the manager always has to take the same amount of blame because he's in charge.

This is how all hierarchies work. The boss has to take the blame for his underlings. (Maybe it's time to realize this, mr. wanna be manager )

I'd never blame Cassano for anything

 

[Raz]

Of course. It's the job of a manager to make successful transfers. If he he makes transfers that look good on paper because the player is famous, and then turns out to be a flop, then how is it a good transfer?

Do you think Quaresma was a good transfer?

I think he would have done better in England or Spain then here in Italy. I consider him a bad signing, not because he is a bad player(although I don't rate him very high.), but I think he was asked by the manager to perform in a specific football system, so I consider this transfer to be managers fault because he didn't forsee that his prefered system wouldn't work in this league.

He is a decent player who has potential and he has failed not because he can't but just because it isn't his league and the system for which he was brought was changed because it didn't work in the league, and that is totally managers fault. As a brought player the transfer was good, but in this particular situation I consider this transfer a bad one.

 

[Raz]

Like forced to play out of position, in a manner he would never be efficient...

Like Poulsen?

 

[JCK]

Oh dear, I never knew it would reach this level (palindrome)

 

[Plusvalenza]

Wow, I say wow, seems like Secco is really improving. I didn't believe in all this "he's young and will improve" stuff, but it looks like he's at least learning from own mistakes. Not that he's like Moggi to make us interpret his words, but lets see:

D'Agostino: We are interested and we'll be meeting Udinese today. We're looking for a player of that role, he's not the only one.

Nice one. Like we don't care and have other options. Moggi style All to get D'Ago and keep Gio and Marchisio.

Left Back: Yes, we could look for one if Criscito doesn't come back. We're not trading him for Palladino. Palla could come back or stay over there.

That's what I don't really like. Why "if"? Isn't Criscito on loan? And why even mention Palla, his Juve adventure is definitely over.

Trezeguet: We don't want to sell him. If he wants to leave because he wants more playing time then we'll take his wish into consideration.

All nice, but there's just no way he won't sell anyone. This "if he wants to leave" looks like an excuse. Secco probably needs to cash him in, but he needs approval from Ciro.

Marchionni: The change of formation could hurt him. We don't want to sell him.

I don't want him to be hurt, lets rescue and sell the poor guy.

Tiago: Staying. He could do well in Ciro's system.

Well, he really could. I'm just not sure if I want to watch his face for another year. Someone has to make space for Diego and D'Ago anyway.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

Wednesday 10 June, 2009
Blog: Hold on a Sec

With Juventus impressing the most on the transfer market so far, Charles Ducksbury thinks we may have underestimated the ability of Alessio Secco

It’s no secret that Juventus made a move for Beppe Marotta recently. The Sampdoria official, if reports are to be believed, was wanted to hold the hand of the developing Alessio Secco, the club’s ambitious but inexperienced sporting director. Marotta rejected the opportunity, for now, but was he ever needed?

Secco has made some mistakes, but look at what the club have achieved since they bounced back from Serie B with him in his new role post Calciopoli. A serious title challenge in 2007-08 was out of the question, but a top four spot seemed attainable – and was.

Admittedly the signings of Sergio Almiron and Tiago Mendes were not a great success, but they weren’t and aren’t bad players. Tiago had done reasonably well for Chelsea, while Almiron was only given 10 games for the club. Is that really enough time to judge a player? It wasn’t what Secco bought, it was what he paid for them that was the problem.

Momo Sissoko then touched down in January and was greeted with widespread scepticism, but he changed opinions with some all action displays. A third place finish in Serie A was an achievement to be proud of.

The summer arrived and with it Amauri and, more controversially, Christian Poulsen. But the Dane wasn’t Secco’s error, who had been pursuing Liverpool’s Xabi Alonso for months. A deal was virtually done, but Claudio Ranieri wanted the less creative Poulsen instead.

The squad was again strengthened by Secco and Co, but Ranieri seemed to undo all the good work. Bizarre substitutions and tactical inadequacies meant that no matter how hard Secco worked, it was all ultimately in the hands of the silver haired Tinkerman. And although the latter was axed for Ciro Ferrara, Juventus still finished second and made progress on the previous campaign.

Now with Ferrara at the helm on a full-time basis, Secco finally has an ally. Having worked together for years, their understanding and relationship could pay off for the Turin giants. It could also change the fans’ opinion of the young Alessio.

The spectre of Marotta will inevitably continue to loom over Secco – especially with some reports insisting that the likeable Beppe has only postponed a move to Turin – but Secco has already given himself a fighting chance of succeeding following the captures of Diego and Fabio Cannavaro, as well as the likely capture of Gaetano D’Agostino. It could be the making of him…

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