Alessandro Matri (56 Viewers)

[Maddy]

It's clear that Matri has fallen out of favour. No point in keeping a player that Conte has so little faith in.

Matri is a decent Serie A player, but he is also a symptom of how low Italian football has fallen.

 

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[Joe]

I don't get why you guys say we can't play without a CF?

What do we do when Vucinic, Quag and Pepe were playing?

If sell Matri to fund someone like Jovetic we're obviously looking at a Vucinic - Jovetic partnership or a Giovinco - Vucinic - Jovetic, or Jovetic - Vucinic - Pepe/Isla.

You don't always need a target man. Especially the way we play.

 

[Mark]

It's training

and I'm joking.

 

[Maddy]

I don't get why you guys say we can't play without a CF?

What do we do when Vucinic, Quag and Pepe were playing?

If sell Matri to fund someone like Jovetic we're obviously looking at a Vucinic - Jovetic partnership or a Giovinco - Vucinic - Jovetic, or Jovetic - Vucinic - Pepe/Isla.

You don't always need a target man. Especially the way we play.

I don't think we need a targetman. But we are in desperate need of a killer in front of goal.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

and I'm joking.

And okkkkkkkk lol

 

[KB824]

Toni exploded at this age too!
Matri is not bad and would accept the sub role both now and for the years to come.
He will be a reliable all around sub forward, with relatively low wages and decent value.

Giovinco, Vucinic, Pepe and Giaccherini, cannot play as CFs, not even occasionally as subs.
Whilst Matri can play occassionally to a supportive role, as he can dribble, pass and use his tactical awareness quite well.
Actually, even better than his finishing and target man role.

So, we should not be desperate to offload him. Unless he makes space for the major CF, but Borriello and DP already made space for that.
After signing that great CF, if we still have the money and the opportunity to upgrade Matri with another forward, then why not.
But only if we get a good enough offer for him, that would fund that upgrade.

Jovetic would be a major upgrade, as far as the SS role is concerned, but not as far as the finisher role is concerned, which happens to be our priority atm...
Pazzini would be an upgrade for the CF role, but would this mean that wont get a better one?

If a top CF such as RVP were to come, I don't think that the replacement for Matri (Which in this case would be the backup CF spot) would be an upgrade to Matri.

If anything it would be of the same level or a step down, such as a Pazzini.

I am conflicted with all of this, to tell you the truth. I like Matri. I always have, and always support him as long as he wears these colors.

But if the opportunity to get an RVP comes along, you have to take that chance

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I don't get why you guys say we can't play without a CF?

What do we do when Vucinic, Quag and Pepe were playing?

If sell Matri to fund someone like Jovetic we're obviously looking at a Vucinic - Jovetic partnership or a Giovinco - Vucinic - Jovetic, or Jovetic - Vucinic - Pepe/Isla.

You don't always need a target man. Especially the way we play.

They need someone who is far more clinical in front of goal than what is currently on the roster right now. It doesn't necessarily have to be a target man, as Messi and Ronaldo have proven for the last 5 years.

 

[Joe]

Imagine we sell Matri for 12M only to get Destro for 16M and no Jojo in sight.

 

[KB824]

Imagine we sell Matri for 12M only to get Destro for 16M and no Jojo in sight.

That would make no sense to me. And this coming from someone who likes Destro.


Selling Matri could (or should) only mean that another CF is coming.

Now, if selling Matri is not a condition of having the funds to get said CF, then hey, more money for Jovetic as well

 

[Joe]

That would make no sense to me. And this coming from someone who likes Destro.


Selling Matri could (or should) only mean that another CF is coming.

Now, if selling Matri is not a condition of having the funds to get said CF, then hey, more money for Jovetic as well

Isn't Destro a CF?

I like Destro too. But I think he's too young to take over right now.

 

[KB824]

Isn't Destro a CF?

I like Destro too. But I think he's too young to take over right now.

yes he is, but what I'm saying is that I don't want to throw a 21 year old out there with limited Serie A and no European experience out there as the focal point of attack

 

[Red]

Don't think any of us have enough information about the details of Milan's alleged offer or of Juve's budget to be able to make an informed judgement on giving up Matri at the moment.

Obviously you can make broad statements about happily giving up Matri to get Van Persie, but can't say more than that just now.

 

[Cronios]

I don't get why you guys say we can't play without a CF?
You don't always need a target man. Especially the way we play.

erm, where have you been this season??
Have you forgotten all the frustrating moments we had, creating trillions of chances and had no finisher to poach them in?
How many points we lost trying to net one of our countless chances??
If you ask any observer having the chance to watch Juve this year, about our greatest flaw, they will tell you it is the lack of a goal scoarer!

Conte and his possesion football can help a weak defense, by providing cover for them and keeping the opposition away from them.
We can also make up for average quality of SSs, since we have so many options to provide balls up front, the only thing we cant make up for, is the finishing skills of the ones shooting those balls to the opposition goals.

Have you so easily forgotten what have we been through?
Have you forgotten how many times we relied from goals of the midfielders and defenders to get some points?

It was by far our greatest weakness, and for Conte, it was of critical importance to have a target man, even if he is as crippled as Borriello.
He was practically preferring to sacrifice a player, as long as we had a constant presence before of their goal post.
This obviously has some tactical reasoning, as the presence of a slow CF in front of their goalposts, will keep the CBs busy all times and this will create space from the lateral forwards/wingbacks to move in and open up their defense.
It will also leave open the tactical options of crosses threat and pass though balls from the midfield.

It is imperative for Conte's plan to have a target man and since, to his judgement Matri and Quaq do not fit for that job, he would even prefer a scarecrow to them. But now we have the summer window ahead of us, we are champions, we have quite the budget and CL flair.
So we can now choose a proper CF, among the million offers that are available world wide...

No reason to suffer anymore from the same issue, this will be our greatest upgrade and it will make the difference where it matters the most!

 

[Red]

 

[David01]

I don't get why you guys say we can't play without a CF?

What do we do when Vucinic, Quag and Pepe were playing?

If sell Matri to fund someone like Jovetic we're obviously looking at a Vucinic - Jovetic partnership or a Giovinco - Vucinic - Jovetic, or Jovetic - Vucinic - Pepe/Isla.

You don't always need a target man. Especially the way we play.

I agree, people here are so focused on a cf
but first of all we had the second best scoring record in Italy (ok that's no cl)
who scored for us last year? Matri and DP that about sums it up for our strikers
the biggest danger came from midfield who constantly were moving around and popping up in front of goal
every time that happened our forwards went to the flank and so creating a 4 man attack
I"m sure if we get Jojo that will happen regularly forming an attack with Gio left, Vidal and Marchisio comming from deep and Jojo right
the danger is movement, midfield moving forward and our attackers going left or right
a cf will only get in their way
ofcourse you can have a Matri on the bench to change tactics when needed but I do believe this the reason why Conte is no fan of Matri

 

[swag]

Damn, AC Milan must be broke.

 

[Red]

Damn, AC Milan must be broke.

They are.

They need to stop making ~80m per year losses to avoid falling foul of FFP.

 

[Joe]

erm, where have you been this season??
Have you forgotten all the frustrating moments we had, creating trillions of chances and had no finisher to poach them in?
How many points we lost trying to net one of our countless chances??
If you ask any observer having the chance to watch Juve this year, about our greatest flaw, they will tell you it is the lack of a goal scoarer!

Conte and his possesion football can help a weak defense, by providing cover for them and keeping the opposition away from them.
We can also make up for average quality of SSs, since we have so many options to provide balls up front, the only thing we cant make up for, is the finishing skills of the ones shooting those balls to the opposition goals.

Have you so easily forgotten what have we been through?
Have you forgotten how many times we relied from goals of the midfielders and defenders to get some points?

It was by far our greatest weakness, and for Conte, it was of critical importance to have a target man, even if he is as crippled as Borriello.
He was practically preferring to sacrifice a player, as long as we had a constant presence before of their goal post.
This obviously has some tactical reasoning, as the presence of a slow CF in front of their goalposts, will keep the CBs busy all times and this will create space from the lateral forwards/wingbacks to move in and open up their defense.
It will also leave open the tactical options of crosses threat and pass though balls from the midfield.

It is imperative for Conte's plan to have a target man and since, to his judgement Matri and Quaq do not fit for that job, he would even prefer a scarecrow to them. But now we have the summer window ahead of us, we are champions, we have quite the budget and CL flair.
So we can now choose a proper CF, among the million offers that are available world wide...

No reason to suffer anymore from the same issue, this will be our greatest upgrade and it will make the difference where it matters the most!

Matri scored 10 goals this season though.

Jovetic would have a bigger impact on Juventus than Matri would, even if he isn't a CF.

Now if you want to talk about getting someone like Cavani, who I think is totally unattainable this season, then yeah we should probably opt for him over Jovetic.

But I'd pick having Jojo over Matri any day of the week.

 

[Red]

Why not just stick with what Juve have rather than signing a player like Jovetic who isn't really what they need?

Save cash and wait for the right player to become available.

 

[Cronios]

Matri scored 10 goals this season though.

Jovetic would have a bigger impact on Juventus than Matri would, even if he isn't a CF.

Now if you want to talk about getting someone like Cavani, who I think is totally unattainable this season, then yeah we should probably opt for him over Jovetic.

But I'd pick having Jojo over Matri any day of the week.

Those 10 goals were enough to make him our biggest scoarer though.
Jovetic would definitly have a bigger impact, as Vucinic had bigger impact than Matri, however he did not score those extra goals though...
Jovetic could easily become our best player, the best assistman and our greatest threat, but only at the expense of our other option and without improving Aquaman's finishing skills though, we will be still creating many chances and suffer at finishing...

Though to be fair, i m convinced that even half crippled, without any kind of opposition, that will not stop us from dominating serie A again.
We can win even with that handicap, only in Europe and in critical games, a real upgrade will really show its worth.
But imo it is needed for our efforts of improving our team, consolidate our superiority and return in Europe.

I de pick Jovetic over Matri too, but not Jovetic over the acquisition of a top finisher though...
If we secure that top finisher, i would gladly upgrade Matri with Jovetic!

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Don't strengthen your rival.