If it's a straight loan, then why would the other clubs use our youngsters?
Because they are too good and there is no other way to obtain the services of such players otherwise?
Masi obviously is one of the best players of his generation, a smaller club would never put their hands on such quality unless they loan him from a bigger club.
It'll be a loan with option for co-ownership, as they all are.
I wouldn't worry too much about that, we are very much the 'parent' club with these deals. We will make money on him for sure, whether he is good enough for us is another thing.
Looking at what happened in the past, example with Giovinco, i am !!
Hopefully this time we have learnt from our mistakes and put a good pay back clause (as it reported) the sure thing is that we did concede his half way to cheap, ust like we did with Giovinco and so many more players before them...
Fully agreed, JJ. He was one of our more successful moves in the youth sector last season, doing fine at Vercelli then very well indeed at Ternana. Definitely no room for him at Piedmont for now or another season or so...Especially with the signing of Ogbonna around the corner, so why the hell even contemplate bringing him home? Would have been nice for him to spend some time with us pre-season like last summer but nevermind, he can use the ritiro with ternana to really bed himself into their back line. Like you, I'll be keeping a steady gaze on his form this season...
I think it is a straight loan, Cron. And I don't really see any major mistakes in the co-own/ loan market due to Beppe and Paratici (people, yourself included often seem inclined to focus all responsibility for our transfers on Beppe, when this is very clearly not the reality of proceedings).
The Giovinco case is one to debate, but not at all a cut and dried 'we got done'. for the form he showed at parma was fine enough for the money we paid for him minus the fee we got got for his parma 50 % originally. Its a shame he hasn't been able to replicate that form at Juve, but 15 goals and 11 assists for a 24/25 year old in serie a was always going to cost at least $10m...so to get him, overall wasn't bad business.
The only co-ownership I feel we as a club $#@!ed up with was perhaps cassani, but at the time, that horrible time...we were tightening the purse strings to keep ourselves afloat and prepare for our period in purgatory.
Ternana are never going to be in a position where they will hold us to ransom, and neither will the vast majority of teams we co-own players to, precisely because they make good use of quality young talent for free and want that to continue, for it saves them taking risks on buying new talent themselves. This works out well for teams wishing to consolidate their position in serie b, maybe gain promotion, in which case, as with sassuolo, who knows eh, maybe they can keep their loaned young stars...sassuolo are looking good with zaza, berardi and boakye in attack next term, yet they own barely half of all three.
Yes Masi needs to be loaned, but not to be sold out though!
Giving his half away for peanuts, when its almost certain that we will buy it back, is reckless. IMO the worst move of this summer.
The Giovinco fiasko was one of the many that inflicted a massive prestige upon us!
We were seriously robbed in that deal from every perspective, we gave away his half for far too little cash, because we have selected the worst moment of his carrier to do show and even after what he did then, there was no way he would worth 23mil!!
Our buy back option was absent and we were open to be abused hard time and they did abused our naivity, big time!
We sold giovinco half for 3mil, rating him as 6mil player, but there was absolutely no chance in hell to find such a talent for just 6mil!!
We would never find such a talent for six million, we have accepted a far to low price underrating his real value and also gave the option to keep him for three years, without having the option to claim him back when we need him, this decision alone has forced us to waste like 15mil on new SSs, each and every transfer window...
And then when we finally had the option to claim his half back.
We overrated him and paid 11,5mil for his half, which happened to be one of the top ammounts spend in the entire mercato F.FIGC's.S, meaning that we rate him as a 23mil player!!
Just like we knew that the player worthed more than 6mil when we lost his half, we also knew that he doesnt worth 23mil, when we got him back.
We were abused and ridiculised buy a much smaller team, this teaches a lesson to every other small Italian team out there that they can take advantage of our naivity.
We should take some precautions.
Inserting a buy back clause in a price that leaves a margine profit to the clubs that benefits the services of our talents, is acceptable, but letting them robbing us in full day time again and again is not!
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' crowd just aren't getting it. Each club owns half of the player, they are entitled to half of his current value, it is not a loan, and it is mutually beneficial.
