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Zlatan

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Despite what some americans might think and despite of the worn out phrases we see in movies, America is not the world leader in protecting human rights any more (if it has ever really been), and the protection offered in the US is not close to the one offered in Europe.
 
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Bjerknes

Bjerknes

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    Until about 12 years ago we were the world's moral authority, deservedly or not. But now that reputation is deservedly shot.

    No country has a moral authority over anyone else now. But only can an American President win a Nobel Peace Prize yet still continue to lay siege on foreign lands despite campaigning against doing so.

    I don't know about you, but I'd rather not want to have China running the proceedings around the world...
     

    swag

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    Despite what some americans might think and despite of the worn out phrases we see in movies, America is not the world leader in protecting human rights any more (if it has ever really been), and the protection offered in the US is not close to the one offered in Europe.
    And believe me, Europe has nothing on South Africa's constitution right now.
     

    Zlatan

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    And believe me, Europe has nothing on South Africa's constitution right now.


    It's not just about the constitution, its about accountabiity.

    The US probably has great guarantees of human rights in the consttution, however they are useess when there is noone to actually protect them and hold violators accountable. The Supreme COurt is a quasipolitical body that is always influenced by politics and the administration when deciding, for example, what is constitutional and what is not. There is no higher body to say a state has stepped out of line or violated the rights of it's citizens.

    And that's because the US has always tried to distance itself from international law, and any treaty that can hold the US accountable.

    The US as not ratified the Inter-American treaty of human rights, they have not signed Optional Protocol One to the ICCPR which allows individuals to submit claims of human rights violations to the Human RIghts COmmittee. The US has not ratified the Rome statute of the International Criminal Court either. Not a great way to lead by example.

    So, basically, if you think your human rights have been violated and the courts in the US disagree, you're basically screwed, there's noone you can turn to.

    Things are different in Europe. All european countries are members of the COuncil of Europe and have signed the European convention on human rights and are subject to the authority of the European COurt for Human Rights, where individuals can submit claims for violations of their human rights by the state, and the Court can find the state liable.

    Also, in the EU you have the European Charter of Fundamental Rights which prvides a wide range of rights to be protected, including many second generation rights.

    THerefore, human rights protection in Europe is far ahead of any other states in the world.
     
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    The Chinese are big on brand names. :D

    (Especially their own versions of them.)
    The name 'Adadas' is actually a reference to this comics character every francophone/phile must know (is there any around though? No Frenchman here from what I remember, and the Belgians all seem to be flamoutch, so why bring this up). Anyway : Monsieur Mégot, the sports teacher of "le petit Spirou", with the perennial Adadas bag.

    I used to think that bag only existed in the otherwise rich world of Belgian comic books, until I stumbled upon it in deepest Sichuan (aboard the express train that takes you back to Beijing in just under 29 hours).

    Though the main worry is the bag's content. Pretty stupid on my behalf but it's only after avoiding a check at Paris Charles De Gaulle last April that I was told by this guy about the fines newly attached to the infringement of local copyright laws, courtesy of Sarkonazi (such as : 100 times the market price of each copied dvd...show me a genuine dvd anywhere in China and I'll show you Darryl Vieri on a gobbo forum. He is Bobo's long lost milanista cousin from the mean streets of New Rochelle).

    So I won't test my luck in America next January, I hear they're al qaeda there now, and inferior to Europe who has the best h))um)))an r)))igh))ts.
     

    Red

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    I really dont see how China came into all this all of a sudden?
    America, arguably, is not longer the world's moral authority --> Who is going to replace them? --> China is the emerging power --> Having China as the world's moral authority isn't appealing.

    Quite straightforward. :D
     
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    Bjerknes

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    Though the main worry is the bag's content. Pretty stupid on my behalf but it's only after avoiding a check at Paris Charles De Gaulle last April that I was told by this guy about the fines newly attached to the infringement of local copyright laws, courtesy of Sarkonazi (such as : 100 times the market price of each copied dvd...show me a genuine dvd anywhere in China and I'll show you Darryl Vieri on a gobbo forum.
    I sort of miss Darryl.

    But then again, he is most likely Al Qaeda.

    America, arguably, is not longer the world's moral authority --> Who is going to replace them? --> China is the emerging power --> Having China as the world's moral authority isn't appealing.

    Quite straightforward. :D
    I thought so...
     

    Zlatan

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    The name 'Adadas' is actually a reference to this comics character every francophone/phile must know (is there any around though? No Frenchman here from what I remember, and the Belgians all seem to be flamoutch, so why bring this up). Anyway : Monsieur Mégot, the sports teacher of "le petit Spirou", with the perennial Adadas bag.

    I used to think that bag only existed in the otherwise rich world of Belgian comic books, until I stumbled upon it in deepest Sichuan (aboard the express train that takes you back to Beijing in just under 29 hours).

    Though the main worry is the bag's content. Pretty stupid on my behalf but it's only after avoiding a check at Paris Charles De Gaulle last April that I was told by this guy about the fines newly attached to the infringement of local copyright laws, courtesy of Sarkonazi (such as : 100 times the market price of each copied dvd...show me a genuine dvd anywhere in China and I'll show you Darryl Vieri on a gobbo forum. He is Bobo's long lost milanista cousin from the mean streets of New Rochelle).

    So I won't test my luck in America next January, I hear they're al qaeda there now, and inferior to Europe who has the best h))um)))an r)))igh))ts.

    Tha sounds a bit condescending, however I argumented my claim, if you disagree I'll be more than happy to hear what you have to say about it.
     
    Dec 27, 2003
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    No, nice paste but no, I don't want to talk to a Zlatty. If only because they make bad youman writes here.

    *waves at the Chinaman perched on the Great Firewall, slowing down his connection*

    But fuck a bunch of moral authority. Especially coming from imperial-tribalistic Eurotrash and their yank offsprings. No one trusts them/you, and rightly so.

    Thank you.

    Just a thing about this supposedly "emerging" power...more like regaining its place bang in the zhong, after 200 years of Eurocentric interlude. There's still quite a few scaringly unburst bubbles ahead anyway, but "we" are surely giving them one big helping hand in the process. Very, v(e)er(il)y interesting to witness first hand, I assure you.

    Ari-tenchiu!
     

    Zlatan

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    No, nice paste but no, I don't want to talk to a Zlatty. If only because they make bad youman writes here.

    *waves at the Chinaman perched on the Great Firewall, slowing down his connection*

    If by paste you mean that I copy-pasted the things I wrote, I'll have to disappoint you because no, I actually didnt as I happened to work in that field and am still somewhat connected to it.

    As for the rest, I have no idea what you're talking about, but thats a great way to avoid to subject at hand and actually having to make make a real argument :tup:
     

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