And not to mention those other "prophets" who tried to do with weapons what the previous prophets failed to do earlier. 
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Able Xavier Converts to Islam (1 Viewer)
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I don't get it
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That's not fair. Christianity is a blatant lie with absolutely no historical basis to back it up whatsoever. The New Testament of the Bible was written by various people throughout history to serve political purposes. Islam at least is based on the teachings of an actual person and a book actually written about that person. The relative authenticity makes Islam more convincing though they are equally silly.
But you believe that Islam is the last and the most complete one which descended upon particular people. Muslims believe that the other books have been becoming fallacious throughout the time and this is only Qoran which hasn't changed. So the message of God doesn't reach to the one who's now born in a Christian country which nullifies the affect of the prophet who was once descended upon that region.
You said everyone could be a good person regardless of his/her religion. Do you believe that you could be a good person even if you're not religious at all? And will God treat you equally to a good person who's a Muslim? If we suppose that the purpose is to become closer to God and to please him, isn't it right that regardless of the path you choose, reaching that purpose is what matters?
Now what's the differences between a good person who's a Muslim and the one who's not? I mean what a good person (who's Muslim at the same time) is doing more than a good person who's not a Muslim?
You said everyone could be a good person regardless of his/her religion. Do you believe that you could be a good person even if you're not religious at all? And will God treat you equally to a good person who's a Muslim? If we suppose that the purpose is to become closer to God and to please him, isn't it right that regardless of the path you choose, reaching that purpose is what matters?
Now what's the differences between a good person who's a Muslim and the one who's not? I mean what a good person (who's Muslim at the same time) is doing more than a good person who's not a Muslim?
Today there are very few people who haven't heard of Islam. If you chose to ignore to research it then it's your own fault. Just because you weren't born into it doesn't excuse you.
Btw, regardless of what you are you should look into your own religion or if you're an atheist then look at the state of your life and the state of the world and ask yourself questions about life.
Sure you can be just as good as someone who's religious. I'm not God, I don't know if he'll treat him/her any different. I do know that anything you do as instructed in Islam you get 'sawab' i.e. rewards. If you're not a Muslim you're obviously not getting those rewards.
The Muslim goes the extra mile.
Btw, regardless of what you are you should look into your own religion or if you're an atheist then look at the state of your life and the state of the world and ask yourself questions about life.
Sure you can be just as good as someone who's religious. I'm not God, I don't know if he'll treat him/her any different. I do know that anything you do as instructed in Islam you get 'sawab' i.e. rewards. If you're not a Muslim you're obviously not getting those rewards.
The Muslim goes the extra mile.
Les voies du seigneur sont impénétrables
Not only is God fair but he's merciful his ways whether it be to send us messages relevant to our judgement or the manner of that judgement is completely beyond our grasp, you can only more or less look at your life and in what instance you felt His presence/message.
Arab culture matters for shit, what the book professes does.
Arabs are just a very (even if significant) minor minority of the muslim population around the world (all with quite different cultures, even if religion effect culture quite a bit, all who converted at some point, where they werent "part of the culture"). Anyone reading it, and finding solace in it and converting, doesnt have to understand a culture, but what it preaches. Its for EVERYONE.
Thats the whole problem about religion, and Islam in particular, for centuries, even millenia, the culture being misintepreted as the religion, or excusing cultural practices and ways to of the religion, even when its vastly contradictory to it. The list is long.
Arabs are just a very (even if significant) minor minority of the muslim population around the world (all with quite different cultures, even if religion effect culture quite a bit, all who converted at some point, where they werent "part of the culture"). Anyone reading it, and finding solace in it and converting, doesnt have to understand a culture, but what it preaches. Its for EVERYONE.
Thats the whole problem about religion, and Islam in particular, for centuries, even millenia, the culture being misintepreted as the religion, or excusing cultural practices and ways to of the religion, even when its vastly contradictory to it. The list is long.
As an ex-Muslim who read the Quran in both languages i can assure you that it loses 70% of its strength when you translate it.
The poetic side of it is destroyed and it becomes a book of stories and advice.. just like the bible. I wouldnt be able to tell the difference between them in some parts of it.
The poetic side of it is destroyed and it becomes a book of stories and advice.. just like the bible. I wouldnt be able to tell the difference between them in some parts of it.
What is "heard of" supposed to mean? I've "heard of" Buddhism yet I don't know a thing about it. I've never met a buddhist, I don't know what they do (aside from sending young boys into monastery and making sure they shave their heads), and I've no idea what the point is. So does this mean I'm supposed to drop everything and become a devout buddhist?
My BS alarm is raging.
My BS alarm is raging.
Les voies du seigneur sont impénétrables Not only is God fair but he's merciful his ways whether it be to send us messages relevant to our judgement or the manner of that judgement is completely beyond our grasp, you can only more or less look at your life and in what instance you felt His presence/message.
Not only is God fair but he's merciful his ways whether it be to send us messages relevant to our judgement or the manner of that judgement is completely beyond our grasp, you can only more or less look at your life and in what instance you felt His presence/message.
Oh god is merciful. But of course not in our human understanding of the word, because he's a cruel, homicidal bastard. So what does "merciful" mean? Nothing.
And? Hoori was asking how come some people are so lucky to be born Muslim (so to speak) and others are not? T's defense was to say "everyone has heard of islam anyway". Which is first of all clearly false, but beyond that hearing about something and being convinced of something are two very different things.
He can either use analogy and anthropomorphize God or he can be a fideist (I can know nothing of God we just submit in faith)
You'll find both of them in every religion.
Does the word wise have the same meaning in us as in God? If yes then you are making human beings the model for the creator of the universe. If No, then i could as well praise God saying BADADADADBABA while bashing my head to a brick wall because whatever i say doesnt apply anyway.
You'll find both of them in every religion.
Does the word wise have the same meaning in us as in God? If yes then you are making human beings the model for the creator of the universe. If No, then i could as well praise God saying BADADADADBABA while bashing my head to a brick wall because whatever i say doesnt apply anyway.
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