Able Xavier Converts to Islam (20 Viewers)

[Fred]

Yes exactly. It say you don't have the right to judge people when you don't really know how they are. It doesn't say you become a Muslim only by claiming so. You see the difference?

I never said you become a muslim because you claim you're one.

I said if you believe in Allah, his prophet, his books etc, then you're a muslim. Even if it might not be completely reflected by ones actions.

 

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[Fred]

And what about my question Fred?

It's 5 o'clock in the morning here, and that question is just a whole other debate thats going to drag on for ages. I'll answer it tomorrow, you can remind me if i forget.

 

[king Ale]

I never said you become a muslim because you claim you're one.

I said if you believe in Allah, his prophet, his books etc, then you're a muslim. Even if it might not be completely reflected by ones actions.

What do you do when you believe in something while considering it as such an overwhelming sign from such an omnipotent supernatural power above all the creatures? You'd simply obey it.

 

[king Ale]

It's 5 o'clock in the morning here, and that question is just a whole other debate thats going to drag on for ages. I'll answer it tomorrow, you can remind me if i forget.

And it's 4:30 here

Go to sleep now, son

 

[Fred]

Again with the son? :frown:

Why don't you read me a bedtime story while you're at it

 

[king Ale]

Would you mind a lullaby?

 

[Osman]

I think I seen a porno with this same dialogue.

 

[Fred]

:groan:

I think I seen a porno with this same dialogue.

wtf

 

[Osman]

I dont remember from where, but no worries, Dusan/Byrone/Lion/Vlatko will be soon here to pinpoint the exact second this scene was in.

 

[Ian]

This just illustrates the vagueness of religion. These people do not actually believe in this stuff. If they did, like Hoori said, if they were actually living in fear of punishment from god, they would damn right follow his stupid rules, just to get him off his back. But they don't. They say they do, but their behavior doesn't reflect their supposed beliefs. The beliefs are for show.

And this applies to at least half of all religious people in the world. They identify themselves with the belief, they say they belong to the religion, they tell themselves this, but in actual fact they don't actually have the behavior that reflects the belief. Which means that if it wasn't for social pressures they'd easily toss it.

Martin, you give people too much credit. At least half the people who are seriously religious don't have the mental capacity to see the fallacy of the whole thing... Other people use it as an emotional crutch, but you're right that some people do it for show. The worst, for me, is the people who do it out of fear of death, betting on there being some all-powerful being and hoping they do what he wants...

 

[IrishZebra]

At least half the people who are seriously religious don't have the mental capacity to see the fallacy of the whole thing... Other people use it as an emotional crutch, but you're right that some people do it for show. The worst, for me, is the people who do it out of fear of death, betting on there being some all-powerful being and hoping they do what he wants...

Too true,

You see it all the time, I'm a devout [Religion] because it really helped me cope after X died or Y molested me. It astonishes me that people see this as a good thing, because it is not. It is congruent with following a book written by a therapist. I'd advocate therapy but seriously don't come into a religious argument knowing that you aren't able to keep yourself together let alone your argument.

Don't get me wrong, if people want to use Religion as a crutch for trauma etc. that's perfectly fine, but don't act all pious and holier than thou because you're too weak to deal with your own shit.

 

[Fred]

Hoori for your question, i was born a muslim, i've read the Koran, the Hadith, stories about Sahaba and all that and i believed in it. I'm yet to be convinced by anyone why i'm wrong.

 

[IrishZebra]

Hoori for your question, i was born a muslim, i've read the Koran, the Hadith, stories about Sahaba and all that and i believed in it. I'm yet to be convinced by anyone why i'm wrong.

We don't have to prove you're wrong, you have to prove you're right, which you haven't and cant.

 

[Fred]

Well it depends, if i want to convince you of Islam then ya of course i have to prove myself right. But when somebody wants to convince me, then he'll have to prove it to me.

 

[IrishZebra]

Well it depends, if i want to convince you of Islam then ya of course i have to prove myself right. But when somebody wants to convince me, then he'll have to prove it to me.

I disagree, if you interact with the world purporting that soemthing IS true then the onus is on you to prove it is true.

I know you don't do it here but for example if I were to meet you in real life and offer you a beer and you said no because X Y Z I don't have to prove you're wrong about XYZ that would be insane.

 

[Fred]

I disagree, if you interact with the world purporting that soemthing IS true then the onus is on you to prove it is true.

I know you don't do it here but for example if I were to meet you in real life and offer you a beer and you said no because X Y Z I don't have to prove you're wrong about XYZ that would be insane.

Of course you do. Why would i drink beer when i believe it to be harmful to my health?

 

[IrishZebra]

Of course you do. Why would i drink beer when i believe it to be harmful to my health?

Everthing can be hermful to your health. I know it's not beer but Red Wine can be benificial to your health.

It was just an example, don't dodge the issue.

 

[Fred]

I'm not an expert on this matter, but my understanding is that, even though drinking wine in itself might not be harmful. Getting drunk is harmful.

 

[IrishZebra]

I'm not an expert on this matter, but my understanding is that, even though drinking wine in itself might not be harmful. Getting drunk is harmful.

It's a bit of a moot point tbh.

But I was just using it as an example to illustrate that if you believe something to be true and interact with the world and people saying it is a fact and ture then it's your responsibility to prove that it is true and not mine to prove it is untrue,

E.G.

 

[Fred]

Except i'm not trying to prove or convince anyone of anything.