A second look at Virginia Tech (1 Viewer)

[Martin]

School shootings fascinate us, I think because they're so hard to figure out. In the media it's always a tragic event, so and so many innocent people lost their lives at the hands of a mad man. Omg, what are we gonna do to protect our children against these TERRORISTS? We need less guns. No, more guns. We need metal detectors, and the FBI. We need wiretaps and surveillance cameras to root out "potential perpetrators".

And what is the one thing missing? A hard look at ourselves. This kid spent 4 years at our wonderful, loving school. It couldn't possibly be anything in the environment that set him off. No, there's nothing wrong with us at all.

Why did Cho shoot up the school? Because he was a "ticking time bomb"? Because he was abnormal, and psychotic? No. Because he had his life systematically ruined. By ignorant morons for professors who singled him out and harassed him, and by the sons of bitches that were his peers, who treated him as an outcast. It's not his personality that was the problem, it was his environment.

Please read this before posting, it's the whole reason I started this thread:

>>> http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm

It's too bad Ze has just left when I found this, he was the closest to it.

 

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[Byrone]

School shootings fascinate us, I think because they're so hard to figure out. In the media it's always a tragic event, so and so many innocent people lost their lives at the hands of a mad man. Omg, what are we gonna do to protect our children against these TERRORISTS? We need less guns. No, more guns. We need metal detectors, and the FBI. We need wiretaps and surveillance cameras to root out "potential perpetrators".

And what is the one thing missing? A hard look at ourselves. This kid spent 4 years at our wonderful, loving school. It couldn't possibly be anything in the environment that set him off. No, there's nothing wrong with us at all.

Why did Cho shoot up the school? Because he was a "ticking time bomb"? Because he was abnormal, and psychotic? No. Because he had his life systematically ruined. By ignorant morons for professors who singled him out and harassed him, and by the sons of bitches that were his peers, who treated him as an outcast. It's not his personality that was the problem, it was his environment.

>>> http://arts.uwaterloo.ca/~kwesthue/vtmassacre.htm

It's too bad Ze has just left when I found this, he was the closest to it.

True but that can be applied to almost every learning institute.So many kids have been subject to some sort of abuse & its a test of character imo.Some people need to suck it up although not everybody can handle pressure.

 

[Martin]

True but that can be applied to almost every learning institute.So many kids have been subject to some sort of abuse & its a test of character imo.Some people need to suck it up although not everybody can handle pressure.

You're saying that like it's an inevitability. What happened to our humanity?

 

[Byrone]

You're saying that like it's an inevitability. What happened to our humanity?

Yeah it kinda is,there are alot of of things that should be considered here.Most bullies pick easy targets to make themselves feel better & vent out.Unfortunately this kind of thing will never end.

 

[Enron]

Considering bullies and bullying have been around for hundreds of years and school shootings have merely become prevalent in the last ten I find it difficult to acknowledge a correlation between the two.

Most everyone is picked on to some degree while growing up, but not everyone picks up a gun and shoots people. People mess up in school all the time. Some are even forced out.

In this case it's more about the individual's ability to handle his own problems. People fail to realize especially when entering college that you are now in the stage of life where you're expecting to act like a "grown ass man", as a friend of mine once put. A lot of people aren't willing to take that on, especially in this case. Kids go into college and expect to be coddled, but when they aren't, especially at a school like Tech (big), it can be a shock. It's obvious Mr Cho or whatever his name is wasn't prepared for college and had a lot going on in his life. We can blame society or his environment for not reaching a hand out to help the kid, but the reality of the situation is the kid didn't help himself. He didn't reach out, didn't talk to anyone, and didn't become aware of the fact that he was becoming a danger until it was too late. We can blame humanity all we want, but in reality it was all Mr Cho's fault.

 

[Bjerknes]

Everything has a limit. Calculus teaches us that.

The people who say that Cho was simply a psycho don't know what they're talking about, and in actuality it leads to more abuse by students.

I think it's a flaw in society we have to deal with.

 

[Bjerknes]

Considering bullies and bullying have been around for hundreds of years and school shootings have merely become prevalent in the last ten I find it difficult to acknowledge a correlation between the two.

Most everyone is picked on to some degree while growing up, but not everyone picks up a gun and shoots people. People mess up in school all the time. Some are even forced out.

People snap, Easy. It's that simple.

If you drive someone's brain into the dirt far enough, you're bound to see repercussions of that.

 

[Lilith]

You're saying that like it's an inevitability. What happened to our humanity?

I agree with Byron. I feel for him that he was bullied but the alternative to sucking it up was killing people? He should have found other ways to deal with because unfortunately as By pointed out bullies are an inevitable part of life. Is it right? Of course not. It is plain wrong actually. But killing is not right either so I can't feel any pity for him in that sense. I think it makes him just as bad as the people who antagonised him.

 

[Enron]

That's all bullshit. At what point to we take responsibility for our own actions?

Boohoo, life isn't fair. Plenty of people get made fun of, mess up in school, or get dumped by their girlfriends, but only a few of them go shoot up a bunch of people they don't even know.

 

[Bjerknes]

That's all bullshit. At what point to we take responsibility for our own actions?

Boohoo, life isn't fair. Plenty of people get made fun of, mess up in school, or get dumped by their girlfriends, but only a few of them go shoot up a bunch of people they don't even know.

Of course we have to be responsible, but this is looking past the real issue here.

 

[Martin]

Considering bullies and bullying have been around for hundreds of years and school shootings have merely become prevalent in the last ten I find it difficult to acknowledge a correlation between the two.

Most everyone is picked on to some degree while growing up, but not everyone picks up a gun and shoots people. People mess up in school all the time. Some are even forced out.

In this case it's more about the individual's ability to handle his own problems. People fail to realize especially when entering college that you are now in the stage of life where you're expecting to act like a "grown ass man", as a friend of mine once put. A lot of people aren't willing to take that on, especially in this case. Kids go into college and expect to be coddled, but when they aren't, especially at a school like Tech (big), it can be a shock. It's obvious Mr Cho or whatever his name is wasn't prepared for college and had a lot going on in his life. We can blame society or his environment for not reaching a hand out to help the kid, but the reality of the situation is the kid didn't help himself. He didn't reach out, didn't talk to anyone, and didn't become aware of the fact that he was becoming a danger until it was too late. We can blame humanity all we want, but in reality it was all Mr Cho's fault.

You know, there is an expression people say about prison. "A product of the system." It means that people who get put in prison, many of them can't handle it in there, they have to adapt to survive, and by the time they get out it's not the same person who went in. It's a product of the system.

The fact is Cho didn't shoot up his elementary, or his middle school, or his high school. He had no history of violence or mental instability or whatever else. He came to college and he found the environment so hostile that it broke him. And you're saying that's perfectly cool, who gives a shit about a kid who can't handle college. Well, I beg to differ.

Did you read the article? He had these episodes where he'd be so nervous that he couldn't say a word. And you're blaming him for not reaching out? Do you have any idea what it's like for people who are this shy to break the barrier and make themselves vulnerable enough even to go to a counselor? He didn't even have any friends he could bond with, let alone agents of the institution.

 

[Martin]

People snap, Easy. It's that simple.

If you drive someone's brain into the dirt far enough, you're bound to see repercussions of that.

Exactly.

 

[Bjerknes]

Enron, I think your mentality actually spurs on more shootings.

 

[Martin]

I agree with Byron. I feel for him that he was bullied but the alternative to sucking it up was killing people? He should have found other ways to deal with because unfortunately as By pointed out bullies are an inevitable part of life. Is it right? Of course not. It is plain wrong actually. But killing is not right either so I can't feel any pity for him in that sense. I think it makes him just as bad as the people who antagonised him.

Please read the link I posted, that's the whole reason I started this thread.

 

[Lilith]

That's all bullshit. At what point to we take responsibility for our own actions?

Boohoo, life isn't fair. Plenty of people get made fun of, mess up in school, or get dumped by their girlfriends, but only a few of them go shoot up a bunch of people they don't even know.

I completely agree.

 

[Enron]

Enron, I think your mentality actually spurs on more shootings.

Yeah ok. My mentality of getting help instead of shooting innocent people brings about more shootings. Right.

 

[Martin]

That's all bullshit. At what point to we take responsibility for our own actions?

Boohoo, life isn't fair. Plenty of people get made fun of, mess up in school, or get dumped by their girlfriends, but only a few of them go shoot up a bunch of people they don't even know.

People are weak, get it? Tons of them. It's an inborn quality, or a product of their upbringing, who knows. The fact is they come to a place like Virginia Tech and they're weak. And you say fuck them.

So what if only a few may have the predisposition to actually turn to violence, does it eliminate the problem? What about all those who suffer without going postal, is that good?

 

[Bjerknes]

Okay, so lets cheer on bullying people, because people may not shoot up the school and just whimper away.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yeah ok. My mentality of getting help instead of shooting innocent people brings about more shootings. Right.

Help? Who is going to help him?

Ohh, you mean mental help.

So he's just another psycho, right?

Therein lies the problem.

 

[Byrone]

Considering bullies and bullying have been around for hundreds of years and school shootings have merely become prevalent in the last ten I find it difficult to acknowledge a correlation between the two.

Most everyone is picked on to some degree while growing up, but not everyone picks up a gun and shoots people. People mess up in school all the time. Some are even forced out.

In this case it's more about the individual's ability to handle his own problems. People fail to realize especially when entering college that you are now in the stage of life where you're expecting to act like a "grown ass man", as a friend of mine once put. A lot of people aren't willing to take that on, especially in this case. Kids go into college and expect to be coddled, but when they aren't, especially at a school like Tech (big), it can be a shock. It's obvious Mr Cho or whatever his name is wasn't prepared for college and had a lot going on in his life. We can blame society or his environment for not reaching a hand out to help the kid, but the reality of the situation is the kid didn't help himself. He didn't reach out, didn't talk to anyone, and didn't become aware of the fact that he was becoming a danger until it was too late. We can blame humanity all we want, but in reality it was all Mr Cho's fault.

Another thing that annoys me is when parents shelter their kids & turn them into complete social retards.Their parent sdont allow them to do anything & are always watching them 24/7.When are these kids supposed to learn what is & whats not socially acceptable.