UN is a toy, mate...
A disgusting toy that can't be useful to anybody except Kofi Anan's pocket...
A disgusting toy that can't be useful to anybody except Kofi Anan's pocket...
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peace enron 
,the devil's advocate...
i might have used to wrong term {puppet}...though i am not well informed abt these authorities i was just wondering this...UN have no authority to stop war,agreed. US attacks iraq without UN's concent and get away with it,then why do they impose sanctions on iraq when they attack kuwait??
,the devil's advocate...i might have used to wrong term {puppet}...though i am not well informed abt these authorities i was just wondering this...UN have no authority to stop war,agreed. US attacks iraq without UN's concent and get away with it,then why do they impose sanctions on iraq when they attack kuwait??
Your conclusions, though well-thought and interesting, are simply false. Bin Laden started his antagonistic stance right before the first golf war; when Saudi Arabia appealed to US help to deal with Iraq. He thought that the problem ought to be solved in-house(amongst arabs). But after the end of the war, the military bases and forces remained in the peninsula to the dismay of Ossama and other prominent wahhabis. And his constant appeal to kick american forces out (regardless of the means) actually turned out to be the reason why he was asked to leave SA. This clearly establishes the motives and the cause-effect domino to ensue.
On the subject of the IRA, their claim was as religious as any, I wonder how many protestants were in their ranks.
And ETA is on the grounds of national origin/culture whcich could easily be interchanged with religion and identity.
In no way are these struggle to be compared side by side, but they definitely share an inherent trait of fighting(armed) for what they believe in.
Maybe you should read this. It's from a U.S. Peace activist (Rachel Corrie) who was murdered and runover by Israeli tanks because she stood in the way of those cowards about to destroy a innocent family's home. Thats terrorism. Wouldnt you say?
I thought a lot about what you said on the phone about Palestinian violence not helping the situation. Sixty thousand workers from Rafah worked in Israel two years ago. Now only 600 can go to Israel for jobs. Of these 600, many have moved, because the three checkpoints between here and Ashkelon (the closest city in Israel) make what used to be a 40-minute drive, now a 12-hour or impassible journey. In addition, what Rafah identified in 1999 as sources of economic growth are all completely destroyed - the Gaza international airport (runways demolished, totally closed); the border for trade with Egypt (now with a giant Israeli sniper tower in the middle of the crossing); access to the ocean (completely cut off in the last two years by a checkpoint and the Gush Katif settlement). The count of homes destroyed in Rafah since the beginning of this intifada is up around 600, by and large people with no connection to the resistance but who happen to live along the border. I think it is maybe official now that Rafah is the poorest place in the world. There used to be a middle class here - recently. We also get reports that in the past, Gazan flower shipments to Europe were delayed for two weeks at the Erez crossing for security inspections. You can imagine the value of two-week-old cut flowers in the European market, so that market dried up. And then the bulldozers come and take out people's vegetable farms and gardens. What is left for people? Tell me if you can think of anything. I can't.
If any of us had our lives and welfare completely strangled, lived with children in a shrinking place where we knew, because of previous experience, that soldiers and tanks and bulldozers could come for us at any moment and destroy all the greenhouses that we had been cultivating for however long, and did this while some of us were beaten and held captive with 149 other people for several hours - do you think we might try to use somewhat violent means to protect whatever fragments remained? I think about this especially when I see orchards and greenhouses and fruit trees destroyed - just years of care and cultivation. I think about you and how long it takes to make things grow and what a labour of love it is. I really think, in a similar situation, most people would defend themselves as best they could. I think Uncle Craig would. I think probably Grandma would. I think I would.
You asked me about non-violent resistance.
I thought a lot about what you said on the phone about Palestinian violence not helping the situation. Sixty thousand workers from Rafah worked in Israel two years ago. Now only 600 can go to Israel for jobs. Of these 600, many have moved, because the three checkpoints between here and Ashkelon (the closest city in Israel) make what used to be a 40-minute drive, now a 12-hour or impassible journey. In addition, what Rafah identified in 1999 as sources of economic growth are all completely destroyed - the Gaza international airport (runways demolished, totally closed); the border for trade with Egypt (now with a giant Israeli sniper tower in the middle of the crossing); access to the ocean (completely cut off in the last two years by a checkpoint and the Gush Katif settlement). The count of homes destroyed in Rafah since the beginning of this intifada is up around 600, by and large people with no connection to the resistance but who happen to live along the border. I think it is maybe official now that Rafah is the poorest place in the world. There used to be a middle class here - recently. We also get reports that in the past, Gazan flower shipments to Europe were delayed for two weeks at the Erez crossing for security inspections. You can imagine the value of two-week-old cut flowers in the European market, so that market dried up. And then the bulldozers come and take out people's vegetable farms and gardens. What is left for people? Tell me if you can think of anything. I can't.
If any of us had our lives and welfare completely strangled, lived with children in a shrinking place where we knew, because of previous experience, that soldiers and tanks and bulldozers could come for us at any moment and destroy all the greenhouses that we had been cultivating for however long, and did this while some of us were beaten and held captive with 149 other people for several hours - do you think we might try to use somewhat violent means to protect whatever fragments remained? I think about this especially when I see orchards and greenhouses and fruit trees destroyed - just years of care and cultivation. I think about you and how long it takes to make things grow and what a labour of love it is. I really think, in a similar situation, most people would defend themselves as best they could. I think Uncle Craig would. I think probably Grandma would. I think I would.
You asked me about non-violent resistance.
poisonwoody said:
peace enron ,the devil's advocate...
i might have used to wrong term {puppet}...though i am not well informed abt these authorities i was just wondering this...UN have no authority to stop war,agreed. US attacks iraq without UN's concent and get away with it,then why do they impose sanctions on iraq when they attack kuwait??
,the devil's advocate...i might have used to wrong term {puppet}...though i am not well informed abt these authorities i was just wondering this...UN have no authority to stop war,agreed. US attacks iraq without UN's concent and get away with it,then why do they impose sanctions on iraq when they attack kuwait??
The UN is not a toy. Its a mediocre world governing organization that only helps causes it benefits from, just like my country. Except they aren't as powerful as they think they are. The UN isnt a toy, the fact is that Europe just doesn't care as is the mindset of most of the world that isn't experiencing some sort of tragedy.
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Good word choice my friend. Yet. What a word. It means at this time. Lets see here, this skirmish has been going on for almost 60 years and Palestinians don't have a country. Which they deserve. It seems that YET has been going on for quite a while. Maybe if Hamas and other groups quite with the YETS, maybe some progress could be made. Don't get me wrong, I think Palestine deserves their own country but until bad apples quit looking for YET it won't happen. The only way to have a Palestinian state is a liberal US president and the end of violence.
To be more accurate....
1948: Occupation...
1965: Resistance began (Very old ways of bombs and guns)...
1970-1985: Useless fights with other regimes in the region...
1987-1991: First Intifadha (Only by stones)...
1993-2000: Fake Peace process...
2000-2004: Second Intifada (Extensive use of martyr bombings)...
So, look how much Palestinians used violence...
1948: Occupation...
1965: Resistance began (Very old ways of bombs and guns)...
1970-1985: Useless fights with other regimes in the region...
1987-1991: First Intifadha (Only by stones)...
1993-2000: Fake Peace process...
2000-2004: Second Intifada (Extensive use of martyr bombings)...
So, look how much Palestinians used violence...
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