A Blame of Thrones: Mafia Game (25 Viewers)

[Alen]

Anyway, Tomice's vote is also suspicious. It is here where things started to change.

It's entirely possible that he voted for Janna because he found her suspicious.

The other possibility is this:
It's 2:2 between Salvo and Hoori with some 20 minutes remaining. Noone's voting for quite some time, nothing's happening. Hoori has her vote on Salvo.

Then Tomice votes for Janna making it 2:2:2. The most logical thing to expect here is Hoori to fight for her life when she sees that if she changes from Salvo to Janna, Bezzy will be on 3 votes.
Salvo will be saved.

 

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[Hængebøffer]

Why did @king Ale change from Salvo to radekas? It's as if she knew Lord Snake will come to the rescue.

It was either him or Janna and after defending Janna, it wouldn't have made sense.

 

[Klin]

It was either him or Janna and after defending Janna, it wouldn't have made sense.

It would have made more sense because Janna was already on 2 votes, while radekas had 1.

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Anyway, Tomice's vote is also suspicious. It is here where things started to change.

It's entirely possible that he voted for Janna because he found her suspicious.

The other possibility is this:
It's 2:2 between Salvo and Hoori with some 20 minutes remaining. Noone's voting for quite some time, nothing's happening. Hoori has her vote on Salvo.

Then Tomice votes for Janna making it 2:2:2. The most logical thing to expect here is Hoori to fight for her life when she sees that if she changes from Salvo to Janna, Bezzy will be on 3 votes.
Salvo will be saved.

Except that she still saved Salvo by voting radekas.

 

[Hængebøffer]

It would have made more sense because Janna was already on 2 votes, while radekas had 1.

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Except that she still saved Salvo by voting radekas.

You're right - it was Salvo with two. The missing vote count also fucked me up a bit

 

[Alen]

Except that she still saved Salvo by voting radekas.

I'm implying that, in case Salvo was a G, the smartest thing at that point was to force Hoori to change her vote from Salvo to someone else. You'd force her to do that by offering her another player on 2 votes.
I did this exact thing once, and I think you were on my team back then. I was saving Salvo and I gave people another target. I believe it was the game when Piotrr, Voller and one other guy became Salvo's bodyguards after that night

 

[Klin]

Fred wouldn't have done what he did as a C. There's simply no chance in hell. The Gs obviously didn't want to lose one in the first day.

I guess that's what I get for being the least suspected G in the last game.

At least I can somehow understand your reasoning unlike Alen who made some random shit up.

You are a lot more composed when facing accusations than you usually are. Because I am reluctant to jump on the janna bandwagon, cos of how that turned out in the past, you are my 2nd biggest suspect.

My first is jihadi john who is his usual cocky self when he's a G.

I'm literally doing nothing differently than all of my previous games and yet people try so hard to look into my posts now. This is quite amusing tbh. Well if you guys lynch me at least you will know better next game.

No need to turn back to your usual self now jihadi john is still my number one suspect. He usually takes more initiative when hes a c, and tends to be more random and almost cocky when he's a g.

It's really funny because I really am doing nothing different. It's even better that the 3 posters who suspect me are the supposed "top players" on this forum. Either you guys were lucky enough to get together as Gs or you are just trying way too hard on day 1. In case you are all Cs, I guess your reputation as "top players" will be tarnished a bit if I indeed get lynched.

I actually suspect Alen to be a G the most since he had chosen the most innocent of all posts to attack me and provided terrible reasoning too. Or maybe it's just because his general style is more aggressive then the other 2 of you.

Then all of a sudden, 1 minute before deadline...

You have not even read my posts man. You are definitely a G and there is no point in trying to convince you. I'm voting Radekas.

I seriously hope your not a g, cos am takin a big risk and a huge leap of faith here.

Radekas

That is simply not something Fred as a C would play. Never.

 

[Tomice]

In a situation when at 22:57 we have a 2:2:2 (Salvo, Hoori, Janna) and Hoori changes it to 2:2:2 (Hoori, Janna, Radekas), the last thinG one would think of is: OMG, I must save Radekas because I think he's a C.
At that point I did think that all three were Cs. I expected a vote for me, but even if it didn't come, the one thing I could do there was to add a 4th name. I did, I voted Matt, but it was at 23:00 and Kate didn't count it. Seconds before at 23:59 Fred voted Radekas (I didn't even see that vote until I voted Matt). Even if I saw that, what was I supposed to do? Add a 3rd vote to Hoori and Janna, despite saying previously how I think both are Cs? Why should I have done it?

My problem is not so much with your voting as with your faith on both Janna and Hoori being a C with what I find very little justification. The voting today is almost impossible to analyze with what went on with the vote count as it provide a too good of an excuse to any fishy voting. Only Fred looks suss if you look at the voting on it's face, maybe he is coocky enough to think he can get away with it, realy don't know about that

next voting will be easier to pick up on I hope, anyway I'm off to bed shortly so see you guys tomorrow

 

[Klin]

Anyway, I'm fried. I won't be here much tomorrow, so obviously this will be a total different conversation by then. Fred is a G. One of Salvo, Hoori or Janna is a G too.

 

[Tomice]

I'm implying that, in case Salvo was a G, the smartest thing at that point was to force Hoori to change her vote from Salvo to someone else. You'd force her to do that by offering her another player on 2 votes.
I did this exact thing once, and I think you were on my team back then. I was saving Salvo and I gave people another target. I believe it was the game when Piotrr, Voller and one other guy became Salvo's bodyguards after that night

Pitbull

Or was it me?

 

[Alen]

That's all fine, Klin, but who was Fred trying to save there?

To vote like that as a G, you must be trying to save another G, right?

Who? Hoori or Janna?
If he was saving Hoori, why did he need to involve and make himself a #1 suspect, when Hoori could have saved herself by voting for Janna?
If he was saving Janna, why did he need to involve and make himself a #1 suspect, when Janna could have saved herself by changing her vote from you to Hoori?

Or were both Janna and Hoori Gs? In that case, why didn't Janna vote for Radekas, instead of forcing Fred to involve his brown ass and make himself a #1 suspect?

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My problem is not so much with your voting as with your faith on both Janna and Hoori being a C with what I find very little justification. The voting today is almost impossible to analyze with what went on with the vote count as it provide a too good of an excuse to any fishy voting.

next voting will be easier to pick up on I hope, anyway I'm off to bed shortly so see you guys tomorrow

I couldn't know they are Cs. I just didn't get a G vibe from these three. My choice was to vote for someone I didn't think was a G, or not to vote for them at all. I went for the latter, trying to add a new name to the mixture (Matt).

 

[GordoDeCentral]

just caught up on the reading, fred's appeals to kate for the results also sounded forced, and why the hell is alen defending him

 

[Alen]

just caught up on the reading, fred's appeals to kate for the results also sounded forced, and why the hell is alen defending him

I explained clearly.
If he's a G he defended Hoori or Janna. Which one and why did he do it?
It surely can't be Janna, because she could have saved herself by voting for Hoori, and viceversa - Hoori could have saved herself by voting for Janna.

Unless Hoori didn't want to vote for Janna (why wouldn't she?), or, the more possible scenario - Janna didn't want to vote for Hoori because Hoori is friendly to her.

It makes little sense.
Then again, it doesn't make much sense to get involved that way even if he's a C.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

I explained clearly.
If he's a G he defended Hoori or Janna. Which one and why did he do it?
It surely can't be Janna, because she could have saved herself by voting for Hoori, and viceversa - Hoori could have saved herself by voting for Janna.

Unless Hoori didn't want to vote for Janna (why wouldn't she?), or, the more possible scenario - Janna didn't want to vote for Hoori because Hoori is friendly to her.

It makes little sense.
Then again, it doesn't make much sense to get involved that way even if he's a C.

the trouble here is of course when things make too much sense, kinda like with you and fred

 

[Alen]

the trouble here is of course when things make too much sense, kinda like with you and fred

Meh, unless Hoori or Janna fucked up badly by refusing to vote for the other one, I don't think Fred is a G.

We were most probably voting civilians tonight and Fred was stupid to involve himself like that. Just because Osman and Hoori (and previously me) voted for Radekas, it didn't mean that he had to join.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

what if all 3 of you are Gs...

at this point i dont see your black hand in the game much, and knowing how much of a control freak you are things dont seem to go too automated, so your Gness is not that strong imo

 

[Alen]

what if all 3 of you are Gs...

Who's "all 3"?

Me, Fred and one of Janna/Hoori? It makes even less sense.

No, the Gs are among those who weren't involved tonight. If we follow logic, me and you are bigger suspects than Hoori, Janna and Fred.
I'll wait for Hoori's and Fred's explanation before I decide what to do tomorrow.

P.S: I do have this unpleasant feeling, though, that Hoori somehow fucked up and Fred had to get himself involved. It's against logic, but I did see Gs fucking up and using it to their own advantage later

 

[GordoDeCentral]

why wouldnt it make sense? that was a rhetorical question so no need to type out a cronios post the 3 of you on the same team would mean you need to establish some distance from the very first day, and knowing your chuminess with hoori and rivalry with fred, youd play it opposite not to sound too normal. Anyhoos, eyes on fred for me, though i did think radekas was a G, so my instinct was off.

 

[Alen]

why wouldnt it make sense? that was a rhetorical question so no need to type out a cronios post the 3 of you on the same team would mean you need to establish some distance from the very first day, and knowing your chuminess with hoori and rivalry with fred, youd play it opposite not to sound too normal. Anyhoos, eyes on fred for me, though i did think radekas was a G, so my instinct was off.

Simple - Hoori had a chance to lynch Janna. That way neither Fred would need to interfere, nor would I need to defend Fred. We surely didn't make a plan like this one: "Hey Hoori, don't lynch Janna, so we can become suspicious too and then defend ourselves in order to play the opposite of what people expect from us"

That's the greatest overthinking evah

Before I go to bed - JAILER, can I ask you NOT to put me in jail tomorrow?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Simple - Hoori had a chance to lynch Janna. That way neither Fred would need to interfere, nor would I need to defend Fred. We surely didn't make a plan like this one: "Hey Hoori, don't lynch Janna, so we can become suspicious too and then defend ourselves in order to play the opposite of what people expect from us"

That's the greatest overthinking evah

Before I go to bed - JAILER, can I ask you NOT to put me in jail tomorrow?

janna distraction is just that but yeah you would go at it in that way, plus fred would be down with the program if hoori is in the team, anyhoos just speculation for now.
@Tomice why werent you posting earlier?

 

[king Ale]

Hoori just turned invisible mode on

I did not. I logged out and went out for lunch/dinner.

How could I save him?

He had 1 vote, I added the 2nd. Then I changed to ALC and once again he had 1 vote.
Before the last vote count, 36 minutes before deadline, Hoori and Salvo had 2 votes, while 9 others had a vote.

Then you came and voted Janna. Making it 2:2:2 (Hoori, Salvo, Janna)

Then Hoori changes from Salvo to Radekas (3 minutes before deadline), making it again 2:2:2 (Hoori, Janna, Radekas)

Now, we have 3 minutes after this to do something. I expected someone to give a vote for me, and I decided to change to someone with 1 vote at deadline. But then Fred comes in 22:59 and votes for Radekas. I wasn't 100% sure that Radekas isn't a G, so if I voted Hoori or Janna at that point, making it 3:3 between that girl and Radekas, and if I lynched a C with my vote, I'd have been dead tomorrow.

So it's a few hours before the deadline and I have to go to my class. I know I'm not going to vote Janna even though I'm suspicious of you directing her moves, and I don't have much to go for. Salvo is my likeliest option given his weird questions and past record. I come back 15 minutes prior to deadline and I see it's 2-2 between me and Salvo. One of my votes is Salvo's (right after I voted him, he voted me), the other vote is Radekas accusing me of being a G, because seemingly I am defending Janna, which I never did. I tried my best to convince Radekas to change his vote, despite repeating countless times that I'm not defending Janna but merely not willing to vote her out (because of her semi-revelation), he is not convinced. I don't have much time, I don't even know the exact vote count, all I know is that it's 2-2 between me and Salvo, so if it's a random pick, and considering I'm convinced Radekas is a G, I prefer the random pick to be between me and Radekas. I was prepared for a 50% chance of getting lynched. Fred then voted and I was off the hook. And I would do the same if I was Fred. Read Radekas' last posts, they were all highly suspicious.