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Because we are managed by rogue traders.

I don't see very much good in it. If it was good, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If you want to co-own players who you think won't make it, then why not just sell them outright? You can lose money through co-owns as well through the bidding process. The loans would be partly for financial purposes. I could also see loaning someone for wage purposes if they're not...

Keeping the players who do show some promise. No co-owns. Loan only if you don't believe the player will make it at the club but still don't want to lose him. Italy needs to develop a reserve game system. That is far more sensical than what is in place now. This way, you don't lose...

We've been over this before. You have faith in the loaning system. I do not. To me, putting the development of your own players in the hands of other clubs is simply idiotic.

You're a product of your environment. If the environment isn't conducive of individuality and prosperity, then you'll fail. Certainly, not all of our youth products will make it, which is understandable. But some will and should, yet they aren't given a chance. To reap the benefits of the...

We've been over this before. My stance is that yes, we can't really change the minds of the directors. And if there is no point in discussing it as you say, then there isn't a point to this forum. :tup: Well done.

Accept and obey, huh? I never knew this was a communist club. Complacency gets you nowhere, Jack.

Yeah, our youth policy is so spectacular. :lol: It's not just about Iago.

Pretty much.

It isn't an agenda, I just disagree with loans completely. It's my opinion. Marchisio didn't need to go on loan, he already had a spot on the team, if you recall correctly. Giovinco does not have a spot on the team, so you can't admit loaning him worked out well, but of course you don't want...

And Marchisio doesn't even count because he already played several games for us in Serie B. He already had a spot in the team, yet they loaned him out anyway. :sergio:

It just doesn't make sense. If you want a job done right, you have to do it yourself. That's what folks here fail to understand.

Osman's post thoroughly demonstrates the problem with loans. He's using the opinion of folks who have no stake in the player whatsoever to evaluate his future. The coaches at Bari know they are going to lose the player either way, whether he plays well or not, so there's a sort of moral hazard...

Whatever the case, it was an idiotic loan, just like 99% of them. If we want to conclude things after this, then give him boot without the benefit of the doubt. Who really gives a crap anymore. This club never learns from its mistakes.

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Ekdal is the only one that makes sense. Marchisio was already a regular at Juve before the goddamn loan, Giovinco was sent off and came back without a real spot on the team, and a guy like Nocerino is far away from Juventus. The only thing those guys got at Empoli was some time, which isn't...

Brilliant loan that was. Lord knows how much Bari fucked up this kid.

:howler: :lol2: That's absolutely fantastic. Another successful loan deal. :jester: Not really. Bari can do whatever the hell they want with him, even try training him as a goalkeeper. This is why loans are retarded. But hey, who cares, we're Juventus and we don't give a toss...

Rivaldo is one of my favorites. Iago sort of has a similar style to him with the ball.