Difference between like and wanting him here for a season or two, what had he done to us that's so bad lemme just remind you that both camo and trez wanted to leave
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Difference between like and wanting him here for a season or two, what had he done to us that's so bad lemme just remind you that both camo and trez wanted to leave
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Zlatan won a lot though and has made more money than he could have ever made at Juve. Nedved, DelPiero, Trezguet all sacrificed their careers and their financial wellbeing by staying. They could have walked into any starting 11 and made millions more per year and won a lot of trophies. The size of their sacrifice is why we love them.
Zlatan was here for two years and wanted out. He has always repeated he won those two scudetto on the field. Even while he was at inter. He never said any bad word about juventus.
Cannavaro went away, and when his speed was decaying too much for madrids high line, he came back to juve
I dont see "but not like ibra"
Also, he's 34 and no team that fits his quality level will sign him now. MLS would turn him into a huge global celeb, and he'll trash that league
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This is exactly what i'm talking about. He wanted out, Raiola made it happen. Others wanted out but luckely for us had an inferior agent
Cannavaro went away, and when his speed was decaying too much for madrids high line, he came back to juve
I dont see "but not like ibra"
Also, he's 34 and no team that fits his quality level will sign him now. MLS would turn him into a huge global celeb, and he'll trash that league
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This is exactly what i'm talking about. He wanted out, Raiola made it happen. Others wanted out but luckely for us had an inferior agent
Del Piero was 32
Nedved was 34
Both at the end of their career
Trezeguet was 29 and wanted out
Buffon was 28 and wanted to stay. Buffon is the only player who would have had a considerably career when he'd leave, that never asked to leave. And buffon was the best goalkeeper in the world without competition at that time, and had entered his prime
Nedved was 34
Both at the end of their career
Trezeguet was 29 and wanted out
Buffon was 28 and wanted to stay. Buffon is the only player who would have had a considerably career when he'd leave, that never asked to leave. And buffon was the best goalkeeper in the world without competition at that time, and had entered his prime
Only gigi can do that ofc.You should read again what I wrote:
What's the argument here?
How did Cannavaro act and leave like Ibra? Ibra threw a major hissy-fit, refused to play games, ignored the coach and mgmt, actually made a point of disrespecting them, refused to get on the team bus and played video games instead. A lot of it is somewhat understandable because they really wanted to keep him, but when a player acts that unprofessionally and leaves the club in that manner, you can't re-sign him. Otherwise, you'd be sending the wrong message on multiple levels. What similarities are you seeing the way Canna left and in the manner Ibra left?
You don't think any good teams want to sign a free agent who's a top-10 player in the world?
And yeah, that's exactly the point...He'd completely trash MLS, it'd be a total mismatch and too soon a move.
What's the argument here?
How did Cannavaro act and leave like Ibra? Ibra threw a major hissy-fit, refused to play games, ignored the coach and mgmt, actually made a point of disrespecting them, refused to get on the team bus and played video games instead. A lot of it is somewhat understandable because they really wanted to keep him, but when a player acts that unprofessionally and leaves the club in that manner, you can't re-sign him. Otherwise, you'd be sending the wrong message on multiple levels. What similarities are you seeing the way Canna left and in the manner Ibra left?
You don't think any good teams want to sign a free agent who's a top-10 player in the world?
And yeah, that's exactly the point...He'd completely trash MLS, it'd be a total mismatch and too soon a move.
I dont disagree that we cannot resign Zlatan
Both cannavaro and him wanted out. Our management decided to keep him despite him quite badly. So he had to push harder to get out aswel
Lets be honest here. We are all rooting for Morata and Cuadrado to do a similar thing to remain at juve
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'free agent', who will demand that 14 million wage. How many teams are : a) good enough b) able to pay that amount c) needing a 14mil wage forward ?
Both cannavaro and him wanted out. Our management decided to keep him despite him quite badly. So he had to push harder to get out aswel
Lets be honest here. We are all rooting for Morata and Cuadrado to do a similar thing to remain at juve
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'free agent', who will demand that 14 million wage. How many teams are : a) good enough b) able to pay that amount c) needing a 14mil wage forward ?
Ones wish was respected, the other one they thought they could bully into changing his mind but no way with that guy. The way he went about it was not unprofessional considering the circumstances lemme remind you of the countless players juve froze out and marginalized to pressure into leaving, nobody called it unprofessional. The real traitors are zambrotta and thuram.
No one said Ibra is a traitor. I said several times already that I don't hold anything against him. We were talking about whether re-signing Ibra (in an unrealistic scenario b/c it won't happen) would make sense. For me, it's an obvious no because that'd mean the club is saying it's OK for players to behave that unprofessionally, that that's part of our club's decorum, and that we'd still lick their boots and welcome them afterwards.
I don't see how a player - who's under contract and being paid by the club - refusing to travel to games isn't unprofessional. I understand his motive behind it and I don't hold anything against him, but that doesn't make it professional conduct.
Actually, people did speak out against freezing players out, namely the players' association (AIC). I don't know if you can call that unprofessional though because no contractual rules were broken, and the players were getting paid. It was more a question of fairness and bringing reform where freezing players out would be against the rules. Davids was one player we froze out. I don't recall countless occasions. With guys like Iaquinta, they sat out via mutual consent.
In any case, Ibra to Juve is unrealistic on technical and financial levels to begin with. He isn't ideal for our team (not ideal for CL, and he's a big reference point where the team builds around him while we rely on playing a more mobile game), and he'd have to take a massive salary cut even if we increase our wage cap to 6m.
I don't see how a player - who's under contract and being paid by the club - refusing to travel to games isn't unprofessional. I understand his motive behind it and I don't hold anything against him, but that doesn't make it professional conduct.
Actually, people did speak out against freezing players out, namely the players' association (AIC). I don't know if you can call that unprofessional though because no contractual rules were broken, and the players were getting paid. It was more a question of fairness and bringing reform where freezing players out would be against the rules. Davids was one player we froze out. I don't recall countless occasions. With guys like Iaquinta, they sat out via mutual consent.
In any case, Ibra to Juve is unrealistic on technical and financial levels to begin with. He isn't ideal for our team (not ideal for CL, and he's a big reference point where the team builds around him while we rely on playing a more mobile game), and he'd have to take a massive salary cut even if we increase our wage cap to 6m.
The likes of Zambrotta and Thuram won very little after leaving Cannavaro at least won two La Liga titles while he was gone but nothing to tell your children about. "Sacrificed their careers and their financial wellbeing by staying" is such a dramatizing statement those dudes were millionaires and continued making millions by playing with us. Their careers are more noteworthy if anything because they stayed even in the eyes of the general public Del Piero, Nedved and Trezeguet are all viewed as great champions and loyal players. Actually they would have sacrificed their careers had they left would people think as highly about Del Piero or Buffon? The answer is no. We've seen a million times how even if it's rare nowadays football fans still adore and worship loyalty. The likes of Giggs, Scholes, Gerrard, Maldini and Totti are highly thought of not only because of their football skills but because they spent the majority of their careers in one club.
