Zeitgeist, the Movie (22 Viewers)
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I'd say you pretty much get the gist of it, Alen. You were aware of the fact that Kosova has lots of natural resources and pointed that out in the Balkans discussion. That's a big part of how the economy works and the implications everyone around the world has to deal with. Good enough.
The 9/11 part may not be "spot on", but everything leads to believe the government and some group of option traders had prior knowledge of it. That immediately wipes out the government's report and makes some sort of cover up reality. The way the buildings collapsed has been proven to be clear detonation, as thousands of demolition jobs and zero occurrences of buildings collapsing due to debris fires confirm. That's the opinion of structural engineers not employed by the government. The religion discussion makes this stuff look easy in my view.
Actually, there is a lawsuit currently being written to be filed against Bush and Cheney for the 9/11 attacks.
The 9/11 part may not be "spot on", but everything leads to believe the government and some group of option traders had prior knowledge of it. That immediately wipes out the government's report and makes some sort of cover up reality. The way the buildings collapsed has been proven to be clear detonation, as thousands of demolition jobs and zero occurrences of buildings collapsing due to debris fires confirm. That's the opinion of structural engineers not employed by the government. The religion discussion makes this stuff look easy in my view.
Actually, there is a lawsuit currently being written to be filed against Bush and Cheney for the 9/11 attacks.
It's because it was a controlled demolition, that's it. If there was structural damage to a side of the building, the building would fall in that direction like a tree timber or not fall at all. But even then, the main structural central support would remain after a portion of the building collapsed, so I don't see why there is even a debate. It was a controlled demo.
Even one of the fire marshals stated live on air that the building would either be demolition or is coming down, which didn't show up in the 9/11 Report.
Even one of the fire marshals stated live on air that the building would either be demolition or is coming down, which didn't show up in the 9/11 Report.
Hehe, just read it....the 9/11 report ACTUALLY says it cannot explain the collapse of that building. And the whole report instead COMPLETELY ignores it?
Man, this isnt even a far off conspiracy theory ,its simply just choosing to ignore reality completely, and having the clout and influence enough to not get away with it, basically cant get questionned and anyone who does, regardless of loud they do it, or how respectacle figures they are, arent aired anywhere at all, except in books ands documentaries like this that arent spread anywhere were it matters basically. How lovely, this basically defines faschism
Man, this isnt even a far off conspiracy theory ,its simply just choosing to ignore reality completely, and having the clout and influence enough to not get away with it, basically cant get questionned and anyone who does, regardless of loud they do it, or how respectacle figures they are, arent aired anywhere at all, except in books ands documentaries like this that arent spread anywhere were it matters basically. How lovely, this basically defines faschism
It's not even "conspiracy theory". It's reality. The building was demolished and the panel either looked past it or were in on the deal.
How neatly the CIA and DOD had their little building "collapse", along with that of countless records, documents, and paperwork, perhaps even those of the put options Salomon Smith Barney purchased. Must be a coincidence.
How neatly the CIA and DOD had their little building "collapse", along with that of countless records, documents, and paperwork, perhaps even those of the put options Salomon Smith Barney purchased. Must be a coincidence.
What I need to to be substiantated and wont take the word of this docu is, that the Norad part in 9/11 part of the docu is actually for real. This cant be for real right? The Norad having EXACT SAME TIME a terrorism airplane hijacking training speficially against plans that are hijacked and how to deal with them, when the actual hijacking was going on EXACTLY, making it so that no F-16 was able to react for 80 minutes when it was too late (not knowing whats real or whats exercise), when they usually can react immediately enough. And then that Cheney was put in command of Norad some months before the attack, its all BS right? Its bit much, no?
This docu is overreaching itself perhaps? Because look at what it says 1.20 mark in the 4th part of the 911 bits, that when the UK 7/7 bombings happend, the brittish govts security forces ALSO had terrorism training that was how to handle terrorists that use subway and bus routes to wreck terror. Is this some kind of cruel joke of the docu maker? The docu actually plays audio of brits security force spokesperson saying they were that exact training in the same training stations. Sensionalist BS?
Wtf? I know what coincidence mean, but wtf? Twice while two major terrorism acts are happening? And they BOTH are training on scenarios and targets that were how the terrorism acts actually went down as?
This docu is overreaching itself perhaps? Because look at what it says 1.20 mark in the 4th part of the 911 bits, that when the UK 7/7 bombings happend, the brittish govts security forces ALSO had terrorism training that was how to handle terrorists that use subway and bus routes to wreck terror. Is this some kind of cruel joke of the docu maker? The docu actually plays audio of brits security force spokesperson saying they were that exact training in the same training stations. Sensionalist BS?
Wtf? I know what coincidence mean, but wtf? Twice while two major terrorism acts are happening? And they BOTH are training on scenarios and targets that were how the terrorism acts actually went down as?
You would really destroy the credibility of something you spent months on if you make something like that up with no suspicion whatsoever. I have heard that Norad was running those drills several times before, in several documents, on several dates (including 9/11) and it was even reported on by the Associated Press that they ran a drill on 9/11. However, I never heard about the 7/7 Drill.
It might seem extremely outlandish, I couldn't imagine why they would do such a thing other than to mobilize assets actually used in the attacks, so as to cover for why there was such military action on the same day. Who knows. It might be meaningless anyway as they run drills all the time in the military for various scenarios.
Start at 1:30 of this video for a Pentagon printout for 9/11 drills on 9/11.
It might seem extremely outlandish, I couldn't imagine why they would do such a thing other than to mobilize assets actually used in the attacks, so as to cover for why there was such military action on the same day. Who knows. It might be meaningless anyway as they run drills all the time in the military for various scenarios.
Start at 1:30 of this video for a Pentagon printout for 9/11 drills on 9/11.
The same principle still holds. It might be more difficult to discover why crucifixion is that important, but I have not a single doubt there is a completely rational explanation as to why crucifixion was chosen as a symbol. It's sad, but there always is an explanation. What's truly interesting though is the fact that, in the Western world, religion has faded out so much that the two fundamental answers christianity gives to the two fundamental questions of life aren't even accepted by christians. Christianity in Europe is dying and it's dying fast (and what's worse: even more moronic religions are growing).
I'd say that's impossible. Any man thinks this is the most important subject in his life. Not asking questions, not comparing, not being interested in the subject is just wrong. This subject isn't compareable to knowledge about the US economy. This subject is the very core of human existence.
What is intriguing though is the way a lot of people who believe in a religion simply dismiss a rational way of thinking. Now I know faith is not rational. And that's fair. But if you refuse to think about the historical figure Jesus after you've seen this movie, because you "have been christian all your life and I'm not going to wake up tomorrow and not be a christian anymore", something is not quite right.
If it's truly about education as you say, I'm very very pessimistic about it all.
I'd say that's impossible. Any man thinks this is the most important subject in his life. Not asking questions, not comparing, not being interested in the subject is just wrong. This subject isn't compareable to knowledge about the US economy. This subject is the very core of human existence.
What is intriguing though is the way a lot of people who believe in a religion simply dismiss a rational way of thinking. Now I know faith is not rational. And that's fair. But if you refuse to think about the historical figure Jesus after you've seen this movie, because you "have been christian all your life and I'm not going to wake up tomorrow and not be a christian anymore", something is not quite right.
If it's truly about education as you say, I'm very very pessimistic about it all.
Its actually bizzare, that the masses doesnt care enough to find out or point that one of the buildings actually just collapsed in seconds like it was demolitioned (I dont want to speak in absolute about stuff like this, but it WAS demolitioned), and wasnt hit by the plane at all. Lets ignore the thousands of loopholes and stuff that doesnt add up, I mean, HOW IS THAT not a a big major grievance and giantic news? 7 years after, its just a minor ignored truth? Seriously? The govt commissioned report for this major event themselves say they cant explain it...and simply ignores it, and thats good enough??? Thats priceless propoganda, only absolutely priceless propoganda that can condition people to completely ignore something as essential as that.
They dont even need to yell absurdities like Bush is the devil and such like the mad homeless man on the street, but simply ask, how the heck is that possible?
They dont even need to yell absurdities like Bush is the devil and such like the mad homeless man on the street, but simply ask, how the heck is that possible?
I'm not so sure of that presumption. I cannot relate my life to being impaled or crucified in the same way I can relate to the darkest day on the calendar year.
Even so, the crucifixion is just one example of religious stories or themes that come out of the woodwork in different cultures but don't have anything directly to do with the equinox. Hero stories and creation myths being a couple of prime examples.
And because many of these stories seemed to have originated in cultures across the globe in times where they had no connection to each other, it brings up an interesting nature vs. nurture debate in a scientific understanding of human religiosity.
Ironically, that probably has more to do with the rise of politics and the social fabric as much as anything else. What made many of these religious stories endure and survive was an artifact of their time, place, and culture. Christianity, for example, was particularly well-suited for a culture where it was a minority, underground belief in an oppressive culture. Now that it's out in the open and less of a rallying point given other political ills, it's out of its element.
I'm a firm believer that religious belief exhibits a strong degree of social Darwinism. Western Europe, right now, seems to have refashioned itself where Christianity is no longer adapted to the environment the way it is today in places such as Africa and even Asia.
But the "moronic" religion issue is, to be blatantly opinionated about it, a legitimate concern. In some ways I wonder if it seems to thrive more on the underground status and fringe elements that Christianity once held, making them better suited for growth in Europe than traditional forms of Christianity.
The story about Jesus that most fascinates me is the political one, not the religious one that has been told far too many times. Because as much as people know the religious story, the political one is equally critical and has largely gone ignored -- at least among religious believers (though for obvious reasons).
Just curious -- do you see the WTC attack of '93 as disconnected with the one in 2001?
Even so, the crucifixion is just one example of religious stories or themes that come out of the woodwork in different cultures but don't have anything directly to do with the equinox. Hero stories and creation myths being a couple of prime examples.
And because many of these stories seemed to have originated in cultures across the globe in times where they had no connection to each other, it brings up an interesting nature vs. nurture debate in a scientific understanding of human religiosity.
Ironically, that probably has more to do with the rise of politics and the social fabric as much as anything else. What made many of these religious stories endure and survive was an artifact of their time, place, and culture. Christianity, for example, was particularly well-suited for a culture where it was a minority, underground belief in an oppressive culture. Now that it's out in the open and less of a rallying point given other political ills, it's out of its element.
I'm a firm believer that religious belief exhibits a strong degree of social Darwinism. Western Europe, right now, seems to have refashioned itself where Christianity is no longer adapted to the environment the way it is today in places such as Africa and even Asia.
But the "moronic" religion issue is, to be blatantly opinionated about it, a legitimate concern. In some ways I wonder if it seems to thrive more on the underground status and fringe elements that Christianity once held, making them better suited for growth in Europe than traditional forms of Christianity.
The story about Jesus that most fascinates me is the political one, not the religious one that has been told far too many times. Because as much as people know the religious story, the political one is equally critical and has largely gone ignored -- at least among religious believers (though for obvious reasons).
Just curious -- do you see the WTC attack of '93 as disconnected with the one in 2001?
Unfortunately, it is possible because of faux patriotism and conditioned imbecility, motivated by such things as "supporting the troops", do not question anything the government claims, and believing into the celebrity status politicians have propagated due to the media. The whole way our society works basically allows this to happen. Everything is intertwined.
This gives me a brilliant idea for a movie... that nobody would want to see.
This gives me a brilliant idea for a movie... that nobody would want to see.
you obviously didn't read my post then...i said that i don't know..and i repeat myself: i have doubts, and this documentary made my doubts stronger. But it's hard for me..to tell you that tommorow i won't believe in God, after 20 years...of course that i will try to make my own opinion about it, but that will come in time, and with debating with others, and studying about this.
you know people, we are not going to solve any of the issues mentioned above. at least let's agree on some basic assumptions i.e. people have a right to religion, religion is evil and so on
on a serious note, i see where seven is coming from. on many instances i have found myself wonder why and more importantly, how, can, otherwise intelligent people, believe certain claims. sometimes it is easier to just shake your head and move on. that is the problem with ideologies including all of them, from religion to say, materialistic environmentalism. it's just best not to subscribe to any of them
on a serious note, i see where seven is coming from. on many instances i have found myself wonder why and more importantly, how, can, otherwise intelligent people, believe certain claims. sometimes it is easier to just shake your head and move on. that is the problem with ideologies including all of them, from religion to say, materialistic environmentalism. it's just best not to subscribe to any of them