Your choice of formation ? (4 Viewers)

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++
I want to play the trident but at the same time maintain a 4 man defence which will leave the midfield very exposed

So you basically want to play with 12 players ?

 

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[sateeh]

mybe don fabio is thinking about putting thrree in the back and three Dm's if he wants c.znetti soo badd

 

[Esteban]

Chimenti (HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!)
Cannavaro - Thuram - Kovac
Emerson - Vieira
Camoranesi - Mutu - Nedved
Trezeguet - Ibrahimovic

Subs in order of who's closest to a place in the starting 11:

Zambrotta
Del Piero
Tudor
Zalayeta
Giannichedda
Zebina
Blasi
Chiellini

Carrying equipment: Olivera.

 

[Seven]

Zambrotta a sub? Really?

 

[djleli]

++ [ originally posted by Esteban ] ++
Chimenti (HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!)
Cannavaro - Thuram - Kovac
Emerson - Vieira
Camoranesi - Mutu - Nedved
Trezeguet - Ibrahimovic

Subs in order of who's closest to a place in the starting 11:

Zambrotta
Del Piero
Tudor
Zalayeta
Giannichedda
Zebina
Blasi
Chiellini

Carrying equipment: Olivera.

:dontcare: oliviera aint even good for carrying equipment

 

[sallyinzaghi]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++


So you basically want to play with 12 players ?

Bah

I do like my 3-4-1-2 formation though, I think it has a nice balance.

 

[djleli]

but remember the style of playing. cappelo likes to play from the wings not attacking from the middle imo. so he would change it to
3-4-2-1

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Esteban ] ++
Chimenti (HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!)
Cannavaro - Thuram - Kovac
Emerson - Vieira
Camoranesi - Mutu - Nedved
Trezeguet - Ibrahimovic

Man I guess a lot of people don't care about the wings anymore.

 

[djleli]

capello sure does ! even in the pre season we attac from the wings

 

[Tom]

-------------------------------Buffon----------------------------

------------Thuram----------Kovac---------Cannavaro-----

Camoranesi-----Emerson--------Vieira--------Zambrotta

-----------------------------Nedved----------------------------

---------------------Mutu-------------Zlatan------------------

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Its not in any way a diamond... Nor does it in reality have 3 at the back

Also... check through your history books to see a virtually identical formation (using a similarly aging attacking workhorse at the back) used in serie a, producing the best def and attack on its way to title glory....

Well, from looking at it I can't help but feel the team would become unbalanced. You said Nedved would be able to cover huge amounts of the pitch, while Vieira would just be further up and still have the roaming capability. If you have two players given the freedom to roam in central midfield without another holding player, holes will eventually develop and with Zambrotta and Camoranesi becoming caught up pitch, we will be faced with more problems. Then you have to take into account players playing totally new position, and they have to adapt.

But yeah your right... it could never work

Perhaps something like this worked in the early 90's, however nowadays it's just too risky to implement something like that.

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Well, from looking at it I can't help but feel the team would become unbalanced. You said Nedved would be able to cover huge amounts of the pitch, while Vieira would just be further up and still have the roaming capability. If you have two players given the freedom to roam in central midfield without another holding player, holes will eventually develop and with Zambrotta and Camoranesi becoming caught up pitch, we will be faced with more problems. Then you have to take into account players playing totally new position, and they have to adapt.

Not exactly, as i said i was in a hurry in previous posts so did not write it well... Anyway basic premise for you...

The formation is basically a standard 3-4-3 but instead of nedved sitting next to vieira in the center he is basically playing as a traditional sweeper but from a starting point of some 12 yards further forward (or some 8 yards back of the defensive tip of the standard diamond mid)... eg. sitting 4 yards in front of the def rather than 8 behind... as such it is actually a more defensive formation than your 3-4-3...

With the natural defensive nature of vieira it would also allow on occasion nedved to go forward and in standard play (with nedved in his sweeper role) it would give vieira more room to control the middle of the park, it also means constant support for camo and zambro and as such more creative and attacking possibilities from deep as well as a solid line of 7 defenders when on the backfoot.

Anyway... read the uefa coaching manual for a proper explanation of what im getting at

it's just too risky to implement something like that.

Well thats fine, but then your 3-4-3 is even less stable...

Anyway...

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Anyway... read the uefa coaching manual for a proper explanation of what im getting at

I sensed something missing from your post, but yet again, Paul delivers the goods

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

I sensed something missing from your post, but yet again, Paul delivers the goods

lol... i was actually being serious... Im making a hash of describing it and theres a great explanation in there

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++


Bah

I do like my 3-4-1-2 formation though, I think it has a nice balance.

Bit fragile on the wings though, no?

Nor do I think putting Zambrotta as a left centralback would be a good idea.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Not exactly, as i said i was in a hurry in previous posts so did not write it well... Anyway basic premise for you...

The formation is basically a standard 3-4-3 but instead of nedved sitting next to vieira in the center he is basically playing as a traditional sweeper but from a starting point of some 12 yards further forward (or some 8 yards back of the defensive tip of the standard diamond mid)... eg. sitting 4 yards in front of the mid rather than 8 behind... as such it is actually a more defensive formation than your 3-4-3...

With the natural defensive nature of vieira it would also allow on occasion nedved to go forward and in standard play (with nedved in his sweeper role) it would give vieira more room to control the middle of the park, it also means constant support for camo and zambro and as such more creative and attacking possibilities from deep as well as a solid line of 7 defenders when on the backfoot.

Anyway... read the uefa coaching manual for a proper explanation of what im getting at

Just a few things..

1. Nedved's best attributes are hard work, incisiveness, and the ability to hit some of the best outside shots in Europe. He does have good work rate, however his tackling is not that good, IMO certainly no where near that of Vieira and Emerson. Nedved also has a tendancy to make a lot of fouls, something we do not need 12 yards from the penalty spot. Positioning is key for a job like this.

2. Again, with Nedved playing some sort of advanced sweeper role, wouldn't he be leaving the center of the pitch a little too frequently? That would leave us with only Vieira in the middle, with Nedved somewhere else. Or perhaps you want Nedved to become a "stopper" in a diamond defense. Either way I'm not sure if Nedved is cut out for the job.

Other than that, it would be interesting to see how things work out with that team on the pitch. Certainly a lot of depth.

Well thats fine, but then your 3-4-3 is even less stable...

Anyway...

How so? I think the only confusing point of my 3-4-3 is Zambrotta having free roam to the left flank. Like I said before he would have the flank all to himself, something he's capable to take care of, as we saw last couple seasons. It would basically be a traditional 4-3-3 most of the time with Mutu given freedom to roam.

 

[sallyinzaghi]

++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++


Bit fragile on the wings though, no?

Nor do I think putting Zambrotta as a left centralback would be a good idea.

Its a free world

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

Zebi -- thuram -- Canna -- Zambro

Camo -- Vieira ---Emo -- Neded

DP (mutu) ---- Ibra (trez)

The traditional 4 - 4- 2 looks fine for me. It gave us our last scudetto...

 

[Dominic]

++ [ originally posted by sallyinzaghi ] ++


Its a free world

.. I did not mean to offend in you in anyway, whatsoever.

 

[denco]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


I considered that as well... Dropping nedved would free up alot of space for mutu and options for the use of zambro... However the idea of playing him in front of defence is one ive had for a long time and wanted to look at...

As for trez... as most who have been here for a long time know... I am not a fan of trez... His lack of workrate bugs the hell out of me and when the going gets tough in a match, on many occasions having trez in the team is like we are allways playing with 10 men...

However... he is the only natural goal scorer we have... I am personally a believer in the train of thought that says every team needs a 20 goal a season striker... as such trez is our only option... If hes fit for 2/3rds of the season he will get 20 or so goals without doubt... for all his faults, he is a top finisher...

Trez along with the position of nedved actually shaped most of my formation... as i needed to try and find a way of dampening the effect of trezs disapearing acts...

Personally i think i did that... though of course i accept its not a perfect solution... but like i said earlier... no formation is perfect... every formation / team has weakness' to be exploited

Well i did put him on the bench , and he can always come on and score crucial goals as thats what he is good at
My point in not starting with him is what you brought up, we seem to play with one man down whenever he is on the pitch and not scoring

As for you formation, do you think it will be better if Emerson played as a sweeper or if Vieira did and you got Giannichedda to partner the other in the midfield as I am not sure if Nedved is up to the task of bringing the ball out of defence and passing the ball forward as lets face it, he is accurate at crossing but his passing is wayward at best

Also if you are gonna play a 3 man attack as i have done, then the main striker has to know how to hold on to the ball which i will never get with Trez