Your choice of formation ? (2 Viewers)
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Buffon; Zebina, Thuram, Cannavaro, Zambrotta; Vieira, Emerson; Camoranesi, Ibrahimovic, Del Piero (Mutu); Trezeguet.
I know that Capello would never use the 4-2-3-1 formation, but this thread is titled your formation. This formation makes best use of our players, and with our defense and Vieira/Emerson it's balanced enough.
I know that Capello would never use the 4-2-3-1 formation, but this thread is titled your formation. This formation makes best use of our players, and with our defense and Vieira/Emerson it's balanced enough.
Why would i like to try out this line up ?? uhmm a few reasons
------------------ Trez ----------------
---- DP -------------------- Mutu ------
--- Zambro ------ Vieira ------ Camo ---
---------------- Nedved ---------------
------ Kovac ---- Canna ---- Thuram -----
------------------ Gigi -------------------
The main point i would guess people question is my choice of nedved inbetween the defence and mid rather than between mid and forwards...
The last couple of seasons, what with injuries ,age etc, nedved has for me been fairly poor (yes he has had some great games but overall he imo has been poor since winning the golden ball)... I think he lacks the edge to be consistently good in his current role or out on the wing, a role which since his lazio days hes never really got to grips with at juve..
When you look at how he plays the free role... its based on work rate and determination rather than technique and guile... He jus gets everywhere and never gives in.... as such i think he would sit nicely in front of a back three... covering every inch of the pitch... theres no one better in our squad to protect our defence...
What with the defensive ability of vieira he would also have freedom to move forward when required... It also allows vieira, who allthough a defensive player likes to roam around the whole centre of the pitch... nedved would allow him complete freedom
This protective pair of vieira and nedved would also aollow zambro to flow up and down the flank at will without the worry of having to defend all the time and would also cover for any lack in defensive ability of camo...
You also have to take into account that with kovac, canna and thuram you have 3 no nonsence solid defenders who dont move to far... giving real stability at the back
Mutu and dp to me... jus seem to click... likewise trez and dp when both fit are one of the best strike pairs in world football.... proven many times over.. They to me are the 3 attacking players that work best as a unit (not nes the best individuals)
I also think zambro's runs are key to our success and again dp and zambro click
The formation i find balanced and flexible... seemlessly flowing from as much as a 7 man defensive line to a 5 man attack...
It also allows for a miriad of tactical changes within a match without changing personel... eg. an easy change to : 4-3-3 , 4-4-2 , 4-3-1-2 ,
4-3-2-1, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2 or 4-2-3-1
Not saying would definately work... but i like it and think it would offer many options and imo would work well, but above all i see it as a TEAM formation rather than one for individuals, allthough of course they would have their share of freedom as well
Sorry, that was badly written, but in a hurry , but you should get the picture
------------------ Trez ----------------
---- DP -------------------- Mutu ------
--- Zambro ------ Vieira ------ Camo ---
---------------- Nedved ---------------
------ Kovac ---- Canna ---- Thuram -----
------------------ Gigi -------------------
The main point i would guess people question is my choice of nedved inbetween the defence and mid rather than between mid and forwards...
The last couple of seasons, what with injuries ,age etc, nedved has for me been fairly poor (yes he has had some great games but overall he imo has been poor since winning the golden ball)... I think he lacks the edge to be consistently good in his current role or out on the wing, a role which since his lazio days hes never really got to grips with at juve..
When you look at how he plays the free role... its based on work rate and determination rather than technique and guile... He jus gets everywhere and never gives in.... as such i think he would sit nicely in front of a back three... covering every inch of the pitch... theres no one better in our squad to protect our defence...
What with the defensive ability of vieira he would also have freedom to move forward when required... It also allows vieira, who allthough a defensive player likes to roam around the whole centre of the pitch... nedved would allow him complete freedom
This protective pair of vieira and nedved would also aollow zambro to flow up and down the flank at will without the worry of having to defend all the time and would also cover for any lack in defensive ability of camo...
You also have to take into account that with kovac, canna and thuram you have 3 no nonsence solid defenders who dont move to far... giving real stability at the back
Mutu and dp to me... jus seem to click... likewise trez and dp when both fit are one of the best strike pairs in world football.... proven many times over.. They to me are the 3 attacking players that work best as a unit (not nes the best individuals)
I also think zambro's runs are key to our success and again dp and zambro click
The formation i find balanced and flexible... seemlessly flowing from as much as a 7 man defensive line to a 5 man attack...
It also allows for a miriad of tactical changes within a match without changing personel... eg. an easy change to : 4-3-3 , 4-4-2 , 4-3-1-2 ,
4-3-2-1, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2 or 4-2-3-1
Not saying would definately work... but i like it and think it would offer many options and imo would work well, but above all i see it as a TEAM formation rather than one for individuals, allthough of course they would have their share of freedom as well
Sorry, that was badly written, but in a hurry , but you should get the picture
Very interesting, Paul. I've always said that Nedved should be tried out in a deeper central midfield role and it looks like you agree with me. His workman-like attitude is just what a player whose job is to cover loads and loads of ground defensively needs and as a result of his natural attacking abilities he, unlike Blasi and to a lesser extent Emerson, would be able to start our attacks (and counter-attacks) effectively. As you said, with an Emerson or Vieira playing alongside him in midfield he wouldn't be restricted to defending only and I quite fancy Nedved coming from deep with his long range gunners.
The rest of the formation is pretty straight forward although people are bound to question the leaving out of Ibrahimovic. I have Zlatan, Mutu and Treze starting upfront in my team but I must concede that I haven't seen any of our pre-season games so I just stuck in the best individual players. I've heard that DP and Mutu have done well together and come to think of it the DP-Mutu-Trez trident combined to score six goals in one of our friendlies, but Capello will NOT bench Zlatan. I know that this thread has nothing to do with what Cap's probable choices will be but the fact that Ibra is a massive favourite of Don Fabio's is difficult to ignore.
The rest of the formation is pretty straight forward although people are bound to question the leaving out of Ibrahimovic. I have Zlatan, Mutu and Treze starting upfront in my team but I must concede that I haven't seen any of our pre-season games so I just stuck in the best individual players. I've heard that DP and Mutu have done well together and come to think of it the DP-Mutu-Trez trident combined to score six goals in one of our friendlies, but Capello will NOT bench Zlatan. I know that this thread has nothing to do with what Cap's probable choices will be but the fact that Ibra is a massive favourite of Don Fabio's is difficult to ignore.
Thank you kindly for explaining, shadowfax. Though I do not entirely agree.
Actually that is a point I whole heartidly agree with. My problem with your formation is it's defensive aspect.
This is a bit of a contradiction, to be honest. Nedved, would be allowed complete freedom, because of Vieira's defensive nature. Meaning Vieira'd cover for Nedved defensively. Vieira would be allowed to roam, because Nedved is allowed by Viera to roam around?
Forgive me if I misunderstood, but that doesn't seem really sensible.
This for me is the point of concern. You want/expect, Vieira and Nedved to roam around, yet they'd allow for Zambrotta and Camoranesi to attack, by doing the covering work defensively. Hypothetically, if 2 or 3 of the midfielders would attack, it'd leave our midfield very exposed for sure. In turn leaving our Defence exposed, especially our flanks would be volnerable.
When defending, comparing your formation to Capello's it looks much less solid. Capello generally has AT LEAST 6 players defending, hence the little amount of goals and pressure conceded. Though your formation would probably have A MAX of 5 players defending. I'd imagine your formation to be quite weak against the counter-attack, leaving the flanks exposed and a small numbers of defenders in front of goal. With Capello you generally have the security of 6 stay-at-home players.
I Agree
As I wrote above, I do not think i'd work like that defensively. Attack-wise, it looks good though.
No problem, I generally get the picture. I beleive.
I like the Nedved idea and you've got some good theories, but I don't think it'd work. Leaving out Emerson might be risky business as well.
Actually that is a point I whole heartidly agree with. My problem with your formation is it's defensive aspect.
This is a bit of a contradiction, to be honest. Nedved, would be allowed complete freedom, because of Vieira's defensive nature. Meaning Vieira'd cover for Nedved defensively. Vieira would be allowed to roam, because Nedved is allowed by Viera to roam around?
Forgive me if I misunderstood, but that doesn't seem really sensible.
This for me is the point of concern. You want/expect, Vieira and Nedved to roam around, yet they'd allow for Zambrotta and Camoranesi to attack, by doing the covering work defensively. Hypothetically, if 2 or 3 of the midfielders would attack, it'd leave our midfield very exposed for sure. In turn leaving our Defence exposed, especially our flanks would be volnerable.
When defending, comparing your formation to Capello's it looks much less solid. Capello generally has AT LEAST 6 players defending, hence the little amount of goals and pressure conceded. Though your formation would probably have A MAX of 5 players defending. I'd imagine your formation to be quite weak against the counter-attack, leaving the flanks exposed and a small numbers of defenders in front of goal. With Capello you generally have the security of 6 stay-at-home players.
I Agree
As I wrote above, I do not think i'd work like that defensively. Attack-wise, it looks good though.
No problem, I generally get the picture. I beleive.
I like the Nedved idea and you've got some good theories, but I don't think it'd work. Leaving out Emerson might be risky business as well.
Of course they wouldnt both have freedom at once...
In a standard mode of play... Nedved would cover the back line allowing vieira the freedom to control the middle or for zambro / camo to go forward... You would never have less than five at the back
When attacking... The play starting from vieira sitting deep and allowing nedved to run
As long as they (ned/vie/zam/camo) work as a unit it would not be a problem and gaps would not be there imo
I dont see an issue... The formation would never leave less than 5 at the back and when defending you automatically have 7 defensive players
But no... its not perfect, but then what formation is ?... You look for what suits your goals and gives the desired level of balance... this gives what i am looking for
Anyway... as i said... whether it covers all bases wasnt the issue... it was purely what you would like to try... or me in this case
I personally think it would work and would give us that most lacking in recent times bit of creativity... from the back and the front
Thanks for the feedback...
In a standard mode of play... Nedved would cover the back line allowing vieira the freedom to control the middle or for zambro / camo to go forward... You would never have less than five at the back
When attacking... The play starting from vieira sitting deep and allowing nedved to run
As long as they (ned/vie/zam/camo) work as a unit it would not be a problem and gaps would not be there imo
I dont see an issue... The formation would never leave less than 5 at the back and when defending you automatically have 7 defensive players
But no... its not perfect, but then what formation is ?... You look for what suits your goals and gives the desired level of balance... this gives what i am looking for
Anyway... as i said... whether it covers all bases wasnt the issue... it was purely what you would like to try... or me in this case
I personally think it would work and would give us that most lacking in recent times bit of creativity... from the back and the front
Thanks for the feedback...
This is what I'm talking about Stu, Having Dp-Mutu together will surely open the game, not to forget Camo on the wing, Now, as Paul Said Dp and Zambro Click, not to forget that Trez-Dp are one of the best pair players in the world, and when they're fit they're probably the best. Another thing, I know it's too early to judge, But I just can't see Adrian working alongside Zlatan in anyways this season. They both played over 3games together and they both struggle, couldn't come up with a thing, and thats why I think Capello played Treze-Ibra together against Benfice, not to forget that Mutu had a decent match last time against Poli Timisoara, tho the coach insisted to stick with Ibra. However this is my Opinion and we'll see what Cap will be doing this year.