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After the Poulsen signing, will Secco, Blanc and cie still buy Xabi Alonso?

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v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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i don't want to be the pessimist but i think a lot of you guys have unrealistic opinions about giovinco. I'm not questioning his skill or his ability, but remember that he's young, he's unproven (for big squads), he has a lot of pressure on him and he lacks physical strength.
to take this into account and also think about the point that salman said ranieri might try to play giovinco in a more central position it could look like the following.

everyone who plays football knows that the more close you get to the opponents goal the more strong the tackles and roughness is from the opposing defenders/players ... in a game with an "english minded" referee perhaps giovinco would get beat up by defenders before having the chance to control the ball ... perhaps he would be pushed away all the way ...

so ranieri could think that it is wiser to let giovinco play a more central role further away from the penalty box, because in this area the opponent does not tackle and bodycheck so often while getting the ball.

it could be a introduction for giovinco, so that he slowly learns how to integrate in the team without the pressure he was under if he tried to control the ball on the edge of the box and defenders running at him that are at least one feet larger then him.

giovinco would have the comfort of not being tackled at once when he gets the ball and can use his speed to go past the opponents while facing the goal... everybody knows that it is easer to go past a man if you already have the ball on your feet and are facing towards the goal instead of having to control the ball under pressure and then also having to make a u turn.

what also could be a point that you all are so in love with xabis long balls ... but if you look at giovincos height, it's obvious that high balls are not the passes you would like giovinco to receive ... he got a superb technique, but that does not help if a defender can head away the ball easily because it's pretty easy to intercept those balls when you are taller then your opponent... in this case you even would not have to man mark him so close because the height difference lets you get ball anyway

so to summarize my points:
-ranieri might want to play giovinco further away from the opponents goal to let him intruduce his game with fewer pressure of defenders
-long balls are surely not the balls that are perfect for a small player like giovinco (he can be as fast as he wants, if he has to control the ball because it's played high, he will take more time that when controlling a low accurate pass)
-with the vast area of creativity that giovinco can bring, it would be obvious that you need to install him in a more central role to give many balls to him instead of possibly leaving him isolated, because nobody passes to the left wing

you surely remember that there were situations where we had nedved on the left wing, but the game flow lead to nocerino having to run on the right flank and trying to cross .... situations you do not want anymore (i know that noce is gone)
 

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Bjerknes

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But he only has one year of serie a experience, one year experience of top level footbal. He needs to carefuly get experience to blossom. Which means he does need playing time though.

I don't beleive the 'they have it at their or they don't' thing. Different players mature and develop their talent at different ages.

By the way, your post goes against your usual nature of being against our usual youngster policy of treating the youngsters coldly.
But your last sentence pertains to the loaning policy which I despise. And as I said in my post you quoted, just because the youngster fails at first doesn't mean we should "bury" him. Give the kid another shot and if he fails after a second season, then I guess that's it.

But my main point is this - Nedved is getting too old to play as we saw his form wane last season and we need to start working in the youth now so that once Alex, Zanetti and Nedved et cetera are out of it, we will have the youth to fill the gap.

If players such as Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka, Pato and the like can excel at the big stage in their teens, then there's no reason why a 21 year-old Giovinco couldn't perform like that either (if he's really as talented as people say).
 

Sad Statue

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Mar 28, 2006
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Its the CL.Not a Liquor game.
if Barcelona, Werder Bremen, Arsenal and Man. Utd can do it, so can we
But your last sentence pertains to the loaning policy which I despise. And as I said in my post you quoted, just because the youngster fails at first doesn't mean we should "bury" him. Give the kid another shot and if he fails after a second season, then I guess that's it.

But my main point is this - Nedved is getting too old to play as we saw his form wane last season and we need to start working in the youth now so that once Alex, Zanetti and Nedved et cetera are out of it, we will have the youth to fill the gap.

If players such as Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka, Pato and the like can excel at the big stage in their teens, then there's no reason why a 21 year-old Giovinco couldn't perform like that either (if he's really as talented as people say).
i like Giovinco, i like him very much...

but i think that you miss a point...

all the young players in the beggining of their carrer need some support...

some support from some world class players that are close to them or behind them...

Giovinco will do some mistakes. Its natural and he will learn from them. There should be someone who is already a world class player so that he saves the moment. In addition to that he will need some passes and some space to move. He won't be able to make this space alone from the beggining...

All these young players had some other great players near them when they were still talents. And Giovinco is still a talent...

We need Xabi so he can defend. We need xabi so he can pass to Giovinco...

We need one great player to help Giovinco. This great player is not the 2-years-older Sissoko, is not Zanetti, is not Tiago and definitly is not Poulsen...

We need Xabi and we need him very much. Giovinco has great future and already is very good but he can't go alone...

I hope we get Xavi and you 'll see this will be the best move for Giovinco...
 

Bjerknes

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i like Giovinco, i like him very much...

but i think that you miss a point...

all the young players in the beggining of their carrer need some support...

some support from some world class players that are close to them or behind them...

Giovinco will do some mistakes. Its natural and he will learn from them. There should be someone who is already a world class player so that he saves the moment. In addition to that he will need some passes and some space to move. He won't be able to make this space alone from the beggining...

All these young players had some other great players near them when they were still talents. And Giovinco is still a talent...

We need Xabi so he can defend. We need xabi so he can pass to Giovinco...

We need one great player to help Giovinco. This great player is not the 2-years-older Sissoko, is not Zanetti, is not Tiago and definitly is not Poulsen...

We need Xabi and we need him very much. Giovinco has great future and already is very good but he can't go alone...

I hope we get Xavi and you 'll see this will be the best move for Giovinco...
So what point am I missing?

You do know that we don't have someone similar in midfield to Giovinco, don't you?
 

v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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I only said that we need a proven great player near to a great talent as giovinco to help him. And i don't see such a player in our current squad.
i would say that zanetti is surely experienced enough to take such a role ...

i see the problem with molinaro and giovinco on the same side ... both inexperienced and we know how often molinaro can get caught off guard
 

v1rtu4l

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I Just don't think Zanetti is world class.
i think it is debatable if we really need a world class player for this ...

earlier you wrote we need a good proven player and zanetti is just that,
just because he does not do rabonas and elasticos does not mean that someone more "entertaining" would do this job better ...

i rate zanetti pretty high ... it's the same with defenders ... if you don't notice them, they do their job good
 

Sad Statue

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i think it is debatable if we really need a world class player for this ...

earlier you wrote we need a good proven player and zanetti is just that,
just because he does not do rabonas and elasticos does not mean that someone more "entertaining" would do this job better ...

i rate zanetti pretty high ... it's the same with defenders ... if you don't notice them, they do their job good
So do you Like Zanetti to be the player who will play with sissoko in the midfield of our team in the Comming CL????

I wouldn't. I have thought much more for Juve of the future...
 

v1rtu4l

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Mar 4, 2008
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Let's go and beat up Seco now if he doesn't sign Alonso...
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Someone gotta do Moggis job ...

it is interessting that, if remember correct last time a transfer deal was done it was because Secco was in hospital and blanc took over ... perhaps a "divine intervention" from Moggi to stop Secco from messing everything up...

but at least Secco could work as Elkan look-a-like in points of style
 

Alen

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Apr 2, 2007
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so to summarize my points:
-ranieri might want to play giovinco further away from the opponents goal to let him intruduce his game with fewer pressure of defenders
He handles the pressure of defenders pretty well, he's proven that. The question is if he can handle the pressure of guys like Sissoko.
You guys want to send him in the middle of the park where the buldogs play. No matter if he plays up front or in the central midfield, he'll be outmuscled and opponents will play tough on him. The problem is that the DMCs will beat him much more than the defenders. The DMCs are usually all power and they can allow themselves a foul over him. Far from the goal and the refs aren't as harsh when the foul is in midfield where they let the game to be more physical.
The defenders function diferently and they can't allow the same comfort the DMCs have in this situation.

His talent will be completely wasted if he won't play close to the goal. Let the physically strong players fight in central midfield and put the boy where he usually plays.
 

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I'm sure he will play as a trequartista eventually, but I think LW is a good way to ease him into the side without putting too much pressure on him.



I've never got the impression that Liverpool's owners give a shit about what the fans think.



If we get Xabi it should result in guys like Camo, Seba, Nedved and De Piero getting better quality service and earlier, which should give them more space.

Thay can then make things happen in the final third of the pitch.
Rafa Benitez and Robbie Fowler. Without the fans, Rafa may not have a job and the fans were very much a part of Fowler's last run with the team.
 

Sad Statue

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Mar 28, 2006
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He handles the pressure of defenders pretty well, he's proven that. The question is if he can handle the pressure of guys like Sissoko.
You guys want to send him in the middle of the park where the buldogs play. No matter if he plays up front or in the central midfield, he'll be outmuscled and opponents will play tough on him. The problem is that the DMCs will beat him much more than the defenders. The DMCs are usually all power and they can allow themselves a foul over him. Far from the goal and the refs aren't as harsh when the foul is in midfield where they let the game to be more physical.
The defenders function diferently and they can't allow the same comfort the DMCs have in this situation.

His talent will be completely wasted if he won't play close to the goal. Let the physically strong players fight in central midfield and put the boy where he usually plays.
I agree. I think that the most suitable position for him would be a winger. But not a Giggs-style player that runs on the line. Something like Neddy who many times comes in the center ant gives the ball forward...
 
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