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HelterSkelter

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Germany and Italy are still the most decorated European nations in football. France has made astonishing progress over the last quarter of a century but in the end they have 2 world cups to boast with, while Germans and Italians have 4. We dont know what may happen in the future. Italians have some exciting players coming up. However, France may look better set in years to come but trophy wise until now, France is 2 world cups behind. Id understand your snide remark if Italy hadnt won Euro just last year though.

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Did they ever have one?
Yeah but two of Italy’s world cup are from a time no one give a crap other than Benito.

But get your point


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Xperd

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Germany and Italy are still the most decorated European nations in football. France has made astonishing progress over the last quarter of a century but in the end they have 2 world cups to boast with, while Germans and Italians have 4. We dont know what may happen in the future. Italians have some exciting players coming up. However, France may look better set in years to come but trophy wise until now, France is 2 world cups behind. Id understand your snide remark if Italy hadnt won Euro just last year though.

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Did they ever have one?
Italy are slowly losing that status. This is more and more sounding like Milan boasting about their 7 CL's.

France are quickly gaining ground on both those nations especially Italy. Recent history is important too.

4 WC finals and 2 Euro finals since 98 is an astonishing achievement.

Everytime a country has produced an all time great footballer, that country has gone on to achieve tremendous success.

France with Mbappe and a whole host of talent are probably going to end up winning atleast one more world cup in the near future.
 

BayernFan

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France are slowly but surely getting closer to Germany and Italy.

Since 1998 France played in:

4 WC finals and 2 Euro finals

Germany in 2 WC finals and 1 Euro final

Italy in 1 WC final and 2 Euro finals

With the talents the frogs are producing at an insane speed they're gonna catch up sooner or later, just a matter of time

Germany and Italy have stagnated and even regressed big time in recent years
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Yeah but two of Italy’s world cup are from a time no one give a crap other than Benito.

But get your point


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Football was different, yes. There was less competition, absolutely. But from what year should we count WC trophies? The quality of football now and competitiveness is higher than in 50s or 60s for example so does it mean Pele shouldnt be considered an all time great? In 50 years from now who knows how the game will look like so are we going to discredit teams that won WC at the beginning of this century?

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Italy are slowly losing that status. This is more and more sounding like Milan boasting about their 7 CL's.

France are quickly gaining ground on both those nations especially Italy. Recent history is important too.

4 WC finals and 2 Euro finals since 98 is an astonishing achievement.

Everytime a country has produced an all time great footballer, that country has gone on to achieve tremendous success.

France with Mbappe and a whole host of talent are probably going to end up winning atleast one more world cup in the near future.
And I said it is astonishing achievement. They look better set in years to come but right now it is what may or may not happen in the next 10 years. Since 1998 France have won 2 WC and 1 Euro. Italy have won 1 WC and 1 Euro. So for all the talent and progress they have won 1 trophy more. I dont understand why are people so quick to dismiss Italy. Comparison with Milan? They won Euros last year. Doesnt look like they are stagnating to me.
 
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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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France are slowly but surely getting closer to Germany and Italy.

Since 1998 France played in:

4 WC finals and 2 Euro finals

Germany in 2 WC finals and 1 Euro final

Italy in 1 WC final and 2 Euro finals

With the talents the frogs are producing at an insane speed they're gonna catch up sooner or later, just a matter of time

Germany and Italy have stagnated and even regressed big time in recent years
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If you cherry pick the years, sure. 4 or 8 years before that France wasnt even participating at WC, while Italians and Germans played final/won. Spain was at one point considered the fastest talent producing country and they looked set to dominate. But right now they are a laughing stock. So we cant really know how it will pan out. Both Germans and Italians won major trophies not so long ago, especially Italy. They are still clear ahead.
 
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