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I still fail to see a point here. Are you trying to argue that there are different interpretations of evil in this world? Is cold-blooded murder only evil because man says it is? Come on.
Yes, we are subject to such a sick God. He is so sick that he wants people to love and care for each other just as Jesus did almost 2000 years ago. He's so sick he wants people to live in harmony obeying laws that promote the well-being of every human being
Homosexuals can live their lives in peace. The church is not doing anything to stop them from what they love doing, so what is the problem exactly? Are they not accepted into heaven? We don't know that. It's not like we are rounding them up and putting them in an unsavory position..
Could you possibly imagine life without free will? What would that entail exactly? God gave us free will to live the lives we want to lead, and I must say that is better than having restricted will in which we are just puppets with controlled movements and functions. God gave us free will to choose what we want to do because he loves us and wants us to succeed in carrying out his message. I don't know why you would think of this as some "sick experiment" because life without free will would be quite a bore. Without all of this, life would be not worth living for some people.
Dinosaurs? There is evidence and reports that say the dinosaurs were just some big myth without any actual proof of existence, a blown-out theory of nonsense brought up by an overzealous group of scientists. We could go on and on about this subject. As for men not evolving, that is just the stance of the church. I'm not qualified and experianced enough to debate this subject.
Okay, do you have a point here, cuz I don't see one. Nobody is forcing a gun to your head making you become or re-become a believer in religion. That's the whole mystery around faith.
As for the rest of your posts, it seems like you do not understand where the Devil comes into play during our lives. God did not create a devil to tempt us, if that is what you may think.
I don't know where the rule comes from, and we of course do not quite know if it is true or not. I think of it as not so much pleasing God, but the purpose of mass is basically a strength-builder session in which you gain strength to live your life according to your religion. The mass helps guide you to do His good, and you receive nourishment from obtaining the Eucharist in the case of catholics like myself. That is just part of his plan. That is why God gave us life, to work at loving each other. If you consider God to be vengeful and evil, why does he give us the opportunity time and time again to come back to the church? Why wouldn't he just strike us down right then and there? If we are truly sorry for our sins, he will welcome us back in no doubt. A vengeful God wouldn't do that.
lol everytime I defend religion on this forum it feels like I have a Swastika on my arm and my right hand protruding upwards towards the sky like we are all villians. For an institution that preaches love and respect of human life, religion sure gets knocked around unjustifiably. No wonder why discussing such "charades" is unpopular around here.
Yes, we are subject to such a sick God. He is so sick that he wants people to love and care for each other just as Jesus did almost 2000 years ago. He's so sick he wants people to live in harmony obeying laws that promote the well-being of every human being
Homosexuals can live their lives in peace. The church is not doing anything to stop them from what they love doing, so what is the problem exactly? Are they not accepted into heaven? We don't know that. It's not like we are rounding them up and putting them in an unsavory position..
Could you possibly imagine life without free will? What would that entail exactly? God gave us free will to live the lives we want to lead, and I must say that is better than having restricted will in which we are just puppets with controlled movements and functions. God gave us free will to choose what we want to do because he loves us and wants us to succeed in carrying out his message. I don't know why you would think of this as some "sick experiment" because life without free will would be quite a bore. Without all of this, life would be not worth living for some people.
Dinosaurs? There is evidence and reports that say the dinosaurs were just some big myth without any actual proof of existence, a blown-out theory of nonsense brought up by an overzealous group of scientists. We could go on and on about this subject. As for men not evolving, that is just the stance of the church. I'm not qualified and experianced enough to debate this subject.
Okay, do you have a point here, cuz I don't see one. Nobody is forcing a gun to your head making you become or re-become a believer in religion. That's the whole mystery around faith.
As for the rest of your posts, it seems like you do not understand where the Devil comes into play during our lives. God did not create a devil to tempt us, if that is what you may think.
I don't know where the rule comes from, and we of course do not quite know if it is true or not. I think of it as not so much pleasing God, but the purpose of mass is basically a strength-builder session in which you gain strength to live your life according to your religion. The mass helps guide you to do His good, and you receive nourishment from obtaining the Eucharist in the case of catholics like myself. That is just part of his plan. That is why God gave us life, to work at loving each other. If you consider God to be vengeful and evil, why does he give us the opportunity time and time again to come back to the church? Why wouldn't he just strike us down right then and there? If we are truly sorry for our sins, he will welcome us back in no doubt. A vengeful God wouldn't do that.
lol everytime I defend religion on this forum it feels like I have a Swastika on my arm and my right hand protruding upwards towards the sky like we are all villians. For an institution that preaches love and respect of human life, religion sure gets knocked around unjustifiably. No wonder why discussing such "charades" is unpopular around here.
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I love how most of your day was spent trying to pull - that sort of attitude will ensure you get on in life
I love how most of your day was spent trying to pull - that sort of attitude will ensure you get on in life
Dan, did you follow Nietzsche example?
I cant remember the quote exactly but "Every time I meet a holy man, I feel I must wash"?
Oh, and my opinion is summed up by Nietzsche again (what useful quote this guy has)...
"Faith: not wanting to know what is true."
Oh ffs sake this Christian urge to disguise the existence of the dinosaurs is just as ridiculous as the Turkish propaganda regarding the Armenian massacre.
If you would bother to read the Bible properly (most Christians I've met never did), you would find that occasionally in the Old Testament, there are mentions of great lizzard-like animals.
Just because you don't believe in the time-span of 65 million years, doesn't mean they didn't exist. To be honest; I deem science impossible to make an estimate of time scales on the basis of evidence of climate changes found in the earth. I deem it too far-fetched but that's just me perhaps.
If you would bother to read the Bible properly (most Christians I've met never did), you would find that occasionally in the Old Testament, there are mentions of great lizzard-like animals.
Just because you don't believe in the time-span of 65 million years, doesn't mean they didn't exist. To be honest; I deem science impossible to make an estimate of time scales on the basis of evidence of climate changes found in the earth. I deem it too far-fetched but that's just me perhaps.
I always find it very amusing to see this debated. There exists church doctrine on evolution. It does not deny the possibility, instead using some fudge about God adding the human soul at some point. More of John Paul II's fine work.
The people who really bash evolutionists are generally (in my experience) the kind of people who win arguements by ignoring what you say and repeating what they believe a bit louder. A literal interpretation of the bible's time scale is both out of line with current church theology and totally contradicting a now substantial body of scientific thinking. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, if there is a God, he didn't just create a fossil record in some sort of massive practical joke.
The people who really bash evolutionists are generally (in my experience) the kind of people who win arguements by ignoring what you say and repeating what they believe a bit louder. A literal interpretation of the bible's time scale is both out of line with current church theology and totally contradicting a now substantial body of scientific thinking. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, if there is a God, he didn't just create a fossil record in some sort of massive practical joke.
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I still fail to see a point here. Are you trying to argue that there are different interpretations of evil in this world? Is cold-blooded murder only evil because man says it is? Come on.
Yes, we are subject to such a sick God. He is so sick that he wants people to love and care for each other just as Jesus did almost 2000 years ago. He's so sick he wants people to live in harmony obeying laws that promote the well-being of every human being
Homosexuals can live their lives in peace. The church is not doing anything to stop them from what they love doing, so what is the problem exactly? Are they not accepted into heaven? We don't know that. It's not like we are rounding them up and putting them in an unsavory position..
Could you possibly imagine life without free will? What would that entail exactly? God gave us free will to live the lives we want to lead, and I must say that is better than having restricted will in which we are just puppets with controlled movements and functions. God gave us free will to choose what we want to do because he loves us and wants us to succeed in carrying out his message. I don't know why you would think of this as some "sick experiment" because life without free will would be quite a bore. Without all of this, life would be not worth living for some people.
Dinosaurs? There is evidence and reports that say the dinosaurs were just some big myth without any actual proof of existence, a blown-out theory of nonsense brought up by an overzealous group of scientists. We could go on and on about this subject. As for men not evolving, that is just the stance of the church. I'm not qualified and experianced enough to debate this subject.
Okay, do you have a point here, cuz I don't see one. Nobody is forcing a gun to your head making you become or re-become a believer in religion. That's the whole mystery around faith.
As for the rest of your posts, it seems like you do not understand where the Devil comes into play during our lives. God did not create a devil to tempt us, if that is what you may think.
I don't know where the rule comes from, and we of course do not quite know if it is true or not. I think of it as not so much pleasing God, but the purpose of mass is basically a strength-builder session in which you gain strength to live your life according to your religion. The mass helps guide you to do His good, and you receive nourishment from obtaining the Eucharist in the case of catholics like myself. That is just part of his plan. That is why God gave us life, to work at loving each other. If you consider God to be vengeful and evil, why does he give us the opportunity time and time again to come back to the church? Why wouldn't he just strike us down right then and there? If we are truly sorry for our sins, he will welcome us back in no doubt. A vengeful God wouldn't do that.
lol everytime I defend religion on this forum it feels like I have a Swastika on my arm and my right hand protruding upwards towards the sky like we are all villians. For an institution that preaches love and respect of human life, religion sure gets knocked around unjustifiably. No wonder why discussing such "charades" is unpopular around here.
I still fail to see a point here. Are you trying to argue that there are different interpretations of evil in this world? Is cold-blooded murder only evil because man says it is? Come on.
Yes, we are subject to such a sick God. He is so sick that he wants people to love and care for each other just as Jesus did almost 2000 years ago. He's so sick he wants people to live in harmony obeying laws that promote the well-being of every human being
Homosexuals can live their lives in peace. The church is not doing anything to stop them from what they love doing, so what is the problem exactly? Are they not accepted into heaven? We don't know that. It's not like we are rounding them up and putting them in an unsavory position..
Could you possibly imagine life without free will? What would that entail exactly? God gave us free will to live the lives we want to lead, and I must say that is better than having restricted will in which we are just puppets with controlled movements and functions. God gave us free will to choose what we want to do because he loves us and wants us to succeed in carrying out his message. I don't know why you would think of this as some "sick experiment" because life without free will would be quite a bore. Without all of this, life would be not worth living for some people.
Dinosaurs? There is evidence and reports that say the dinosaurs were just some big myth without any actual proof of existence, a blown-out theory of nonsense brought up by an overzealous group of scientists. We could go on and on about this subject. As for men not evolving, that is just the stance of the church. I'm not qualified and experianced enough to debate this subject.
Okay, do you have a point here, cuz I don't see one. Nobody is forcing a gun to your head making you become or re-become a believer in religion. That's the whole mystery around faith.
As for the rest of your posts, it seems like you do not understand where the Devil comes into play during our lives. God did not create a devil to tempt us, if that is what you may think.
I don't know where the rule comes from, and we of course do not quite know if it is true or not. I think of it as not so much pleasing God, but the purpose of mass is basically a strength-builder session in which you gain strength to live your life according to your religion. The mass helps guide you to do His good, and you receive nourishment from obtaining the Eucharist in the case of catholics like myself. That is just part of his plan. That is why God gave us life, to work at loving each other. If you consider God to be vengeful and evil, why does he give us the opportunity time and time again to come back to the church? Why wouldn't he just strike us down right then and there? If we are truly sorry for our sins, he will welcome us back in no doubt. A vengeful God wouldn't do that.
lol everytime I defend religion on this forum it feels like I have a Swastika on my arm and my right hand protruding upwards towards the sky like we are all villians. For an institution that preaches love and respect of human life, religion sure gets knocked around unjustifiably. No wonder why discussing such "charades" is unpopular around here.
OF COURSE there are different interpretations of Evil!!! To think otherwise is ignorant of the rest of the World. The morals and values you have grown up with in America is not akin to the rest of the world. Thus, how can there be a universal good and evil when it is men themselves who dictate their own good and evils? Therefore, there can be no Devil or Hell, for Hell was a creation of man choosing its own morals. Of course murder is only evil because man chooses so. Murder, in some cases, is even accepted. The death penalty for example. Some view it as evil others, good. Like I said Andy, my morals choose to believe that murder is wrong because I dont believe that anything can happen that is just enough to kill a man, apart from my own life or someone I love life being directly threatened.
So this god is a god of many qualities? First he seems all nice and friendly and loving, but if you decide not to participate in his loving by choosing something with your own free will which god himself gave you, its hell for you. So basically, its ' Love with us all or burn in the eternal afterlife '. Which ever way you try to disguise it, thats pretty tasteless from God. So its now we are being threatened into loving each other? We may have free will, but thats just a form of bullying really. Its also quite a scam, you get put on Earth as a test to see if you are good enough for heaven? If he is so loving, why doesnt he just come down and take us all into heaven? Whats the hide and seek game all about? At least validate our beliefs, instead of every pious man still having that nagging question in the back of their heads.
I could only believe in a God who would let us live anyway we want. For that is truly a chaste God, not one who sends the unfit into the abyss! Even in Heaven- all the worlds most interesting people would be missing.
If god wanted his message carried out he should just get an megaphone the size of jupiter and shout it out to us. Or at least make it more clear, and not leave so many unanswered questions. Or should we just have ' faith ' and ignore these questions? How does that make sense? Its just a form of ignorance! Its like conducting a science experiment and holding back evidence just to prove something which does not exist!
You say god gave us free will to leave the lifes we want to lead, but that contradicts to you saying that god wants us to life live in his will- the Dogma of the church surely does not want us to live life our own may but in theirs. Surely, with the concept of heaven and hell, that sorta eliminates free will, because one has to constantly live their live thinking: No i cant do this because I want to get into the afterlife.
But surely life, if christianity is right, should be geared up to follow the christian dogma? We have free will alright, but if we dont live our lifes in a certain way we go to hell. Thats reeeeeallllllll free will for you.
Im sure dinosaurs are just one elaborate hoax made up by scientists all over the world who hate christianity. Thats it! And what the church takes a stance on is the gospel of god- if the church says men didnt evolve, surely that is the word of God, why would they contradict their own god?
My point is that the lifestyle the church teaches is not a fun way to live my life, being meek is surely not the best way to live your life. I want to take life by the balls and have fun at every oppurtinity possible, how does following a set of rules to live your life give you that? Our sense of thrill and excitement given to us by God is piqued by things other then what the church teaches. For myself at least.
What a loner the devil must be aswell! For he has nothing better to do then to lure people by giving them pleasure for doing teachings against the church, and then when you die, for some reason our all loving God decides that you didnt pass the test of life and therefore you must burn in hell, you are cast into a place of fire? Tell me this: Has anyone seen this Hell and come back to tell the tale? Or are we just going on what men have told us with no concrete evidence themselves?
Well Andy, to be honest the church is just a way of living your life- if I wanted to I could just waltz back into the church get on my knees, say 10 hail marys and start living my life religiously, and God wouldnt stop me. If we really have free will, then God couldnt stop us from returning to the church anytime we want. Its not him whose accepting me back in this circumstance, I would just be re-accepting the church.
In the end Andy, God is a contradiction. He wants us to be happy and loving yet we are bullied into following that way of life by having the threat of hell there? Damn.
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Thats our Dan
Dan, did you follow Nietzsche example?
I cant remember the quote exactly but "Every time I meet a holy man, I feel I must wash"?
Oh, and my opinion is summed up by Nietzsche again (what useful quote this guy has)...
"Faith: not wanting to know what is true."
Thats our Dan
Dan, did you follow Nietzsche example?
I cant remember the quote exactly but "Every time I meet a holy man, I feel I must wash"?
Oh, and my opinion is summed up by Nietzsche again (what useful quote this guy has)...
"Faith: not wanting to know what is true."
Welcome back btw
