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Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
it's not his problem club gave him wages.

its not his problem club can't find him a new club

it's juve's problem they rushed and bought a epxensive 4th goalie when the existing one was happy to stay and be number 1.
Sometimes overpaid and underperforming players need to be forcefully removed, happens everywhere, in our case the previous management is who made the mistake and the current one is trying to correct it, if he does not fall in line or is not being reasonable then he is up for sale, and the lack of any serious offers tells us all we need to know about why we want to get rid of him.

Otherwise it’s hard to disagree that we probably rushed into it when there should have been other pressing needs on our limited budget, but can’t say they didn’t have solid reasons to act in this manner either.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
so if there is lack of serious offers. WHY DID THE CLUB SIGN A PLAYER THAT DID NO NEED REPLACING THIS SEASON.

I don't understand what's hard to understand. get rid of a player before signing a new one.

if you can't get rid, don't sign.


especially when the player is good enough to be number 1.

but wages! ok but transfer fee is higher than wages so now what?


but he was goalie of the season! ok there is aways new goalie of the season.

but he would cost double next season! ok so pass on him like they did calafiori. no big deal right?
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
so if there is lack of serious offers. WHY DID THE CLUB SIGN A PLAYER THAT DID NO NEED REPLACING THIS SEASON.

I don't understand what's hard to understand. get rid of a player before signing a new one.

if you can't get rid, don't sign.


especially when the player is good enough to be number 1.

but wages! ok but transfer fee is higher than wages so now what?


but he was goalie of the season! ok there is aways new goalie of the season.

but he would cost double next season! ok so pass on him like they did calafiori. no big deal right?
I get your frustration, with current hindsight it obviously looks like a mistake whatever way we try to paint this, but truth is there was actually one very serious offer from Saudi that occured around the same time that we were wrapping up the DiGregorio deal, just didn’t materialize because of Tek himself primarily and it got us to this point, context is important when you also consider him previously refusing to reduce his wages and then refusing to leave to the only other place that would’ve matched his wage demands.

Either way, lamenting about it on a daily basis won’t change what’s already been done, hopefully we will manage to find some sort of lucrative solution to move him on soon.
 

mjromeo81

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2022
779
Woj really needs to read the room. He won't be starting here. I'm sure there's a solution that doesn't involve moving your family to Saudi Arabia.

The fact that some of these players are holding out and refusing to leave is proof there's no respect between the management and players.

If you respect the club, do what is right.
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
Sometimes overpaid and underperforming players need to be forcefully removed, happens everywhere, in our case the previous management is who made the mistake and the current one is trying to correct it, if he does not fall in line or is not being reasonable then he is up for sale, and the lack of any serious offers tells us all we need to know about why we want to get rid of him.

Otherwise it’s hard to disagree that we probably rushed into it when there should have been other pressing needs on our limited budget, but can’t say they didn’t have solid reasons to act in this manner either.
Ok lets see...

You are reffering to a "Juventus problem" not a "Szczęsny problem"..

At the moment Szczęsny has been reasonable, he agreed the will of the club that wants to sell him and said "Ok, find me another club"

Now.. he has 1 year contract with a salary that JUVENTUS agreed, old or new management its not his problem.

Juventus is the one that wants to sell him, Juventus is the one that has to find him a solution that is satisfactory for the club and the player.

And before any of you come and try to compare this case with the cases of Chiesa and Mck... dont even try.

Szczęsny IS NOT asking for more money to be sold or a bigger salary.

Szczęsny HAS NOT turn down any offer for him so far.

Szczęsny has agreed to be sold, now that doesnt mean he has to give up money that was signed and accepted by the club.

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Woj really needs to read the room. He won't be starting here. I'm sure there's a solution that doesn't involve moving your family to Saudi Arabia.

The fact that some of these players are holding out and refusing to leave is proof there's no respect between the management and players.

If you respect the club, do what is right.
Szczęsny its not refusing to leave, Juventus havent found him any solution or a true offer for him.

P.S If you your answer is "Thats becouse no team wants to pay him his salary"... once again thats a JUVENTUS PROBLEM, not a Szczęsny problem, he did not put a gun to the team to give him that salary and he does not have to give up money that he is owed.

Stop asking players or coaches to give up money because of a mistake made by the club, if a player or coach does agreed to lose money, thats an exception and not what it should be done.

Ask yourself If the company where you work, for which you have worked very well, came one day and told you that it wanted to fire you, would you be willing to give up the millions that they owe you by contract just to "make things easy for them"?

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I get your frustration, with current hindsight it obviously looks like a mistake whatever way we try to paint this, but truth is there was actually one very serious offer from Saudi that occured around the same time that we were wrapping up the DiGregorio deal, just didn’t materialize because of Tek himself primarily and it got us to this point, context is important when you also consider him previously refusing to reduce his wages and then refusing to leave to the only other place that would’ve matched his wage demands.

Either way, lamenting about it on a daily basis won’t change what’s already been done, hopefully we will manage to find some sort of lucrative solution to move him on soon.
Again... not true, there was NOT any serious offer from Saudi, there was an INTENTION, but they didnt present any real offer to the club.

There was an agreement with a Saudi club and Tek agreed on personal terms with that team however, there was never an offer from that team, some say it was because the Saudi club didnt want to pay Juventus, some say it was because the Saudi club expected more "enthusiasm" from Tek to the talks they had with him but the truth of the matter is that there was not any formal offer presented to Juventus for Tek.

Szczęsny has not refused any offer so far.
 
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Xperd

Allegrophobic Infidel
Jun 1, 2012
34,838
it's not his problem club gave him wages.

its not his problem club can't find him a new club

it's juve's problem they rushed and bought a epxensive 4th goalie when the existing one was happy to stay and be number 1.
Fucking hell, how many times it needs to be repeated that keeping Szczesny for one more year is way more expensive than getting a 4th goalie on a loan.

We are talking about this financial year only. We are trying to reduce the wage bill. We have gotten rid of all players and coaches that were earning 7M net or more. Allegro, Sandro, Fagiot all aren't here anymore. Szczesny is next in line to follow them and sooner or later a solution will be found.

We're trying to find a balance between reducing costs and reinforcing the squad. Why have you turned into such a pathetic, spamming troll?

I can't believe your nonsense about 4th goalie has turned into a serious discussion now ffs

I can understand criticizing Giuntoli for how the Chiesa situation has been handled or how many of our players have been frozen out but signing a GK on loan which hardly factors into this season's budget is not something to complain about.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
you are talking about this financial year only?

is next year not coming? what about the year after that? will time freeze?

maybe the 4th goalie can create chances for vlahovic to score. because he is so good with his feet
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
Just to be clear on one thing... I agree that the club wants to sell Tek, I understand the reasons behind it, I undestand why the club bougth Gregorio and Im happy about it.

BUT... its up to the club to find Tek a solution and it must be underline that he has NOT refuse any offer, cause there has been no offer for him.

Having said that, I hope Giuntoli finds him a solution that wors for the club and the player, Tek has earn that... one would think he has earn the respect of the fans, but hey... this is Tuz so its not a surprise to see people talking like he was Rabiot.
 
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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
no tuzzers live in fantasy world where players should give up on money that was agreed in the contract because they need to throat guintoli harder.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
Ok lets see...

You are reffering to a "Juventus problem" not a "Szczęsny problem"..

At the moment Szczęsny has been reasonable, he agreed the will of the club that wants to sell him and said "Ok, find me another club"

Now.. he has 1 year contract with a salary that JUVENTUS agreed, old or new management its not his problem.

Juventus is the one that wants to sell him, Juventus is the one that has to find him a solution that is satisfactory for the club and the player.

And before any of you come and try to compare this case with the cases of Chiesa and Mck... dont even try.

Szczęsny IS NOT asking for more money to be sold or a bigger salary.

Szczęsny HAS NOT turn down any offer for him so far.

Szczęsny has agreed to be sold, now that doesnt mean he has to give up money that was signed and accepted by the club.

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Szczęsny its not refusing to leave, Juventus havent found him any solution or a true offer for him.

P.S If you your answer is "Thats becouse no team wants to pay him his salary"... once again thats a JUVENTUS PROBLEM, not a Szczęsny problem, he did not put a gun to the team to give him that salary and he does not have to give up money that he is owed.

Stop asking players or coaches to give up money because of a mistake made by the club, if a player or coach does agreed to lose money, thats an exception and not what it should be done.

Ask yourself If the company where you work, for which you have worked very well, came one day and told you that it wanted to fire you, would you be willing to give up the millions that they owe you by contract just to "make things easy for them"?

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Again... not true, there was NOT any serious offer from Saudi, there was an INTENTION, but they didnt present any real offer to the club.

There was an agreement with a Saudi club and Tek agreed on personal terms with that team however, there was never an offer from that team, some say it was because the Saudi club didnt want to pay Juventus, some say it was because the Saudi club expected more "enthusiasm" from Tek to the talks they had with him but the truth of the matter is that there was not any formal offer presented to Juventus for Tek.

Szczęsny has not refused any offer so far.
There was a saudi offer but they backed out of it because of Tek’s hesitation, most reliable journos reported it at the time, but if you want to deny reality to give support to poor Tek be my guest.

This is as much of a Juventus problem as it is Szczesny’s problem, if he doesn’t want to reduce wages or to agree on leaving somewhere else where he’d actually play it’s because he is a mercenary only interested in money and not taking into consideration the issues the club had in the last few years, let’s stop finding him excuses as if this is all on the club, he was offered a renewal last year on lower wages and he refused, therefore has to go or sit out, his adventure here is over but he is making sure he delays and complicates things for us despite himself being very much aware he is not worth even half the salary he’s been earning here.

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Besides this, as i stated before, Giuntoli clearly made a mistake by rushing into it when he should have first waited for Tek’s departure before moving for a new GK when the squad has other pressing issues that needed to be addressed first, but there’s also no denying that we needed to do something about getting his absurd salary off our books ASAP.
 
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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
but he already agreed to reduce his wages before. he doesn't need to reduce it again. thats juve's problems not his.

not a single one here would agree to reduce their wage if their employer asked them to. why should woj
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
but he already agreed to reduce his wages before. he doesn't need to reduce it again. thats juve's problems not his.

not a single one here would agree to reduce their wage if their employer asked them to. why should woj
Lion, you are fighting a lost cause… some people really think that people has to give up money they rightfully owned just to prove “love” or not to be consider a mercenary.. that’s how some people think the world works
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,469
Lion, you are fighting a lost cause… some people really think that people has to give up money they rightfully owned just to prove “love” or not to be consider a mercenary.. that’s how some people think the world works
Well he is entitled to his money and I am entitled to call him a leech and a maggot.
Juve is also entitled to make him sit in the stands .
I , as a Juve fan only care about the well being of the club so of course I don't care about Szczesny's feelings or what money he is entitled to.
For me Szczesny with his leechenes is hampering the growth of the club , by not leaving , hence I don't need to be a nice guy to him.
 
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Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
Well he is entitled to his money and I am entitled to call him a leech and a maggot.
Juve is also entitled to make him sit in the stands .
I , as a Juve fan only care about the well being of the club so of course I don't care about Szczesny feelings or what money his entitled to.
For me Szczesny with his leechenes is hampering the growth of the club , by not leaving , hence I don't need to be a nice guy to him.
Well this part is true… the club can do that.

About the rest, it’s your perception and I’m not here to waste my time trying to change that.
 

Alin

FINO ALLA FINE!
Jul 27, 2015
6,390
but he already agreed to reduce his wages before. he doesn't need to reduce it again. thats juve's problems not his.

not a single one here would agree to reduce their wage if their employer asked them to. why should woj
Lion, you are fighting a lost cause… some people really think that people has to give up money they rightfully owned just to prove “love” or not to be consider a mercenary.. that’s how some people think the world works
Seeing how both of you are the voice of reason on this subject just want to help you clarify that he never reduced his salary, don’t think he ever earned more than he is now, that was just made up by Lion on the go lol

Last year instead of being open to negotiate a reduced wage on a longer term contract he chose to rather opt for an automatic one extra year renewal trigger for the same money he’d been earning, and then again during the season declined to discuss another renewal on lower wages but longer term contract, you can’t put all the blame on the player as he is clearly looking out for his own interest, which is being paid twice as much as any other european club would be willing to offer him, but you also can’t blame the club for wanting to force him out and getting a replacement that is not inferior by any means but earns way less and is a long term solution.
 

Espectro

The Grimreaper
Jul 12, 2002
14,565
Seeing how both of you are the voice of reason on this subject just want to help you clarify that he never reduced his salary, don’t think he ever earned more than he is now, that was just made up by Lion on the go lol

Last year instead of being open to negotiate a reduced wage on a longer term contract he chose to rather opt for an automatic one extra year renewal trigger for the same money he’d been earning, and then again during the season declined to discuss another renewal on lower wages but longer term contract, you can’t put all the blame on the player as he is clearly looking out for his own interest, which is being paid twice as much as any other european club would be willing to offer him, but you also can’t blame the club for wanting to force him out and getting a replacement that is not inferior by any means but earns way less and is a long term solution.
Well I speak for myself when I say (again like I said on of my latest posts) that I’m not blaming Juventus for getting Gregorio, I understand why the club wants to sell Tek, and I even agree that it’s the best move for the team.

What I don’t agree is that Tek has to give money away to “help the team”… he already agreed to be sold it’s on the club to find a solution, plain and simple.

P.S and like I also said, if the club don’t find a solution they can keep Tek out on the freeze.
 

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