Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (38 Viewers)

[Dostoevsky]

the kid is an amazing talent and we can clearly see it. these type of deals are low cost high reward investments. the kind of deals that the likes of porto does and look at porto now. they are financially stable and produce a tonne of talented forwards in Europe. falcao, hulk, rogriguez, Martinez are just few examples. you let iturbe go back to porto and watch him and quintero develop into beasts and be solt to the likes of barca, psg and real for 30-40m.

You said it all. Porto is the club that polishes the gem over a course of years while big clubs take the lesser risk and buy them once they are developed - so they don't waste time giving him a chance on field and dropping points. It's a rare occasion when a 18yo starts playing for a top club right away (Varane at Real).

 

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[baggio]

You said it all. Porto is the club that polishes the gem over a course of years while big clubs take the lesser risk and buy them once they are developed - so they don't waste time giving him a chance on field and dropping points. It's a rare occasion when a 18yo starts playing for a top club right away (Varane at Real).

Even Pogba didn't get a fair chance at Utd.

 

[rakib567]

I am not saying buy a 18 year old gem and develop him. I am saying buy a 22 year old super talent and intergrate him into the team. iturbe wuld be perfect, conte should introduce him like he did with pogba. if you look at his talent he would have given a much better performance against real Madrid at rw then marchisio. he also defends like a beast. must get!


examples?

gundogan joined Dortmund in 2011-12 season and by the 2012-13 season he was one of the best midfielders in Europe.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

can't wait to see antonelli and eder against real madrid as well

 

[rakib567]

You said it all. Porto is the club that polishes the gem over a course of years while big clubs take the lesser risk and buy them once they are developed - so they don't waste time giving him a chance on field and dropping points. It's a rare occasion when a 18yo starts playing for a top club right away (Varane at Real).

if you look at top top clubs like real, Bayern and barca they DO give their youngsters a chance. ie barca are giving the a lot more time for 22 yr old batra to develop then giving their first choice CB a game. real Madrid are giving a lot game time to morata and rogriguez (BOTH YOUTH PRODUCTS) and they have turned out to be quite good.


if last year we had immobile gabbiadini instead of vucinic and giovinco partnership in the 352 we would have still won the league and immobile and gabbiadini would have fitted the team very well and scored at least 10+ goals each due to the many chances created. instead of 5,6 goals that they scored at genua or bologna.

 

[Post Ironic]

You said it all. Porto is the club that polishes the gem over a course of years while big clubs take the lesser risk and buy them once they are developed - so they don't waste time giving him a chance on field and dropping points. It's a rare occasion when a 18yo starts playing for a top club right away (Varane at Real).

This is why it would be nice if we step in a year earlier than other big clubs, and take a slight chance on some of these talents. We don't have the funds to compete with the super rich clubs on buying the 30-50 mil players, but a guy like Iturbe who may end up being worth 30+ mil in two years, if we buy him now at 20, instead of 22, he's already guaranteed playing time here if we switch to a 4-3-3, and could play in the Tevez role in the 3-5-2. At the very least he is first or second of the bench so will get a lot of playing time. He also has that phenomenal workrate that Conte loves.

We don't need to have 18 year olds in our line-up, but 4 or so 20-24 year olds would be nice to have in our line-up on matchdays getting regular appearances against weaker sides, or subbed on later in games. Right now we have one single player in our squad under 25. That's not a good thing in my books. Real Madrid has 9 players under 25, for example.

 

[rakib567]

can't wait to see antonelli and eder against real madrid as well

I said they will be 2-3rd choice backup

 

[Dostoevsky]

if you look at top top clubs like real, Bayern and barca they DO give their youngsters a chance. ie barca are giving the a lot more time for 22 yr old batra to develop then giving their first choice CB a game. real Madrid are giving a lot game time to morata and rogriguez (BOTH YOUTH PRODUCTS) and they have turned out to be quite good.

if last year we had immobile gabbiadini instead of vucinic and giovinco partnership in the 352 we would have still won the league and immobile and gabbiadini would have fitted the team very well and scored at least 10+ goals each due to the many chances created. instead of 5,6 goals that they scored at genua or bologna.

Barca has been doing it for quite a while, but with different reasons, as their youth team is taught to play the same way as seniors.

Try to think of more players that came out from Real. Marota is getting his chance slowly, but it's not like they have been doing that forever. It's actually something new for them.

 

[rakib567]

if we still keep buying players of 28+ age we will not achieve much in Europe.

 

[Dostoevsky]

This is why it would be nice if we step in a year earlier than other big clubs, and take a slight chance on some of these talents. We don't have the funds to compete with the super rich clubs on buying the 30-50 mil players, but a guy like Iturbe who may end up being worth 30+ mil in two years, if we buy him now at 20, instead of 22, he's already guaranteed playing time here if we switch to a 4-3-3, and could play in the Tevez role in the 3-5-2. At the very least he is first or second of the bench so will get a lot of playing time. He also has that phenomenal workrate that Conte loves.

We don't need to have 18 year olds in our line-up, but 4 or so 20-24 year olds would be nice to have in our line-up on matchdays getting regular appearances against weaker sides, or subbed on later in games. Right now we have one single player in our squad under 25. That's not a good thing in my books. Real Madrid has 9 players under 25, for example.

Porto is offering those players time to develop. You should understand that.

Majority of young players would rather go to Porto and Benfica to develop, rather than coming to Italy where everyone under 24 is considered very young.

Also, those clubs can afford getting such players for 20mln and developing them (in shit league). Juve on the other hand can't do such unless we're talking about a super talent like Pogba.

I'm not saying those kids are bad players, I'm just following the logic of our transfer history (and of other top clubs). Markovic (and many other players) refused to move to England and Italy in order to join Benfica.

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if we still keep buying players of 28+ age we will not achieve much in Europe.

Pogba, Vidal, Asamoah, Llorente, Ogbonna.

Because of those first 3 players we're strong as we are now. Only Tevez was older a bit but still great.

So I have no idea what are you talking about.

Also, did you already forget how we reached 1/4 of CL last year? I guess you did. You're still under impressions of our loss this year.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

if we still keep buying players of 28+ age we will not achieve much in Europe.

 

[rakib567]

i'm taking about players like tevez or nani etc...I would rather see iturbe then any of nani or cerci. I don't see wy u can't see that developing ur own 22/23/24 year old is better than just buying a 27-28 year old nani or a 30 year old tevez. abvously world class players over 30 like zlatan ribery or robben are going to make a difference but it does not contribute to the sustainability of the club.

 

[Post Ironic]

Porto is offering those players time to develop. You should understand that.

Majority of young players would rather go to Porto and Benfica to develop, rather than coming to Italy where everyone under 24 is considered very young.

Also, those clubs can afford getting such players for 20mln and developing them (in $#@! league). Juve on the other hand can't do such unless we're talking about a super talent like Pogba.

I'm not saying those kids are bad players, I'm just following the logic of our transfer history (and of other top clubs). Markovic (and many other players) refused to move to England and Italy in order to join Benfica.

Agreed. I'd just like to see us taking a chance on a couple young players a season. Like we did with Bonucci at 23, Vidal at 24 (I think), Asamoah at 23, and Pogba at 19. Only I'd like to see 2 a year perhaps, instead of on average about one. I know it's a little more difficult in Italy, but I'd like to see us for sure give a chance to one our young co-owned forwards, and to bring in one more young gun. Iturbe would be a perfect opportunity in the summer. He'll be 21, with immense potential, and a price tag that isn't through the roof (15-20 mil perhaps?). Lucas Ocampos over at Monaco would be another immensely talented winger with sky high potential in the 15-20 mil range.

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One of the problems with buying 21-25 year olds is that they are at a premium on the market right now. Look at Isco and Illarramendi over at Madrid, for example. We'd have to take a chance on the 20-21 year olds, or 21-25 year olds who haven't quite reached their potential yet. Really we just have to be finding young players that aren't quite the "guaranteed" thing, because those go for 25 mil + right now and we won't pay that. So a guy like Iturbe would be perfect because hasn't quite exploded into that stratosphere yet.

 

[Dostoevsky]

i'm taking about players like tevez or nani etc...I would rather see iturbe then any of nani or cerci. I don't see wy u can't see that developing ur own 22/23/24 year old is better than just buying a 27-28 year old nani or a 30 year old tevez. abvously world class players over 30 like zlatan ribery or robben are going to make a difference but it does not contribute to the sustainability of the club.

I would buy Iturbe over Nani and Cerci.

You talk alot of crap about Tevez. You're very wrong, the sooner you realize that the better.

 

[Trequartista]

in:

murru free
antonelli free

cerci giovinco + cash
cuadrado buy half + buy 2nd half with cash + isla half deal
berardi half
rodriguez 15m?
gabbiadini qugliarella swap


out:
quagliarella gabbiadini deal
giovinco in cerci deal
isla in cuadrado deal

padoin 3m
peluso 3m
ziegler 1m
vucinic 10m

murru loan to another serie a side.



squad:

Buffon
Litchsteiner Barzagli Chiellini Rogriguez
vidal pilro pogba
cerci llorente cuadrado​

bench: storari rubinho caceres bonucci ogbonna antonelli marchisio asamoah tevez berardi pepe gabbiadini

/thread

 

[Albo]

Cuadrado is so overrated in this forum !

 

[Fr3sh]

Let's get Navas.

 

[LiquidPLP]

Cuadrado is so overrated in this forum !

Nah he'd be the perfect RWF for Conte's 433. Fact. In 352 his attacking role is very limited and he often is outnumbered on the wing just like Licht and Asamoah.

Imagine that right side: Cuadrado and Licht along with Arturo playing RCM

 

[Joe]

Conte's first choice is Cuadrado and second choice is Cerci. He wants Marotta to go all out for them this summer.

I read a tweet that said that and cited Gazzetta.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Cuadrado is so overrated in this forum !

Tell me about it. I think people here just read each other's ratings of him and get excited.