Wishlist and General Juve winter mercato talk (2013-14) (20 Viewers)

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ZoSo

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and this is exactly why i'm keeping on about going 4-3-1-2/4-3-2-1.

Its just 1 transfer. One cam, good in the combination, off the ball movement and short space. And if licht+asamoah are fullbacks, we can have one at a time moving up, and marchisio( holding midfield) to cover behind.
really, think about it
Personally I would prefer 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 but I just can't see it being any little bit realistic, hence why 4-3-1-2 should be a good option if we can sign one really good AM that can be a difference maker. we'd also have tevez, vucinic and vidal to step in as AM backup also.

I would probably want a more offensive LB too, that can really push foward.

for CM we could have Pogba-Vidal-Asamoah which would be very hard to break down and great at covering other players also. maybe Pirlo will renew also so he could be in CM too, maybe. Plus Marchisio and Nainggolan also.

Yes but verratti is a terrific playmaker, and excells at playmaker skills.
but that's about it. he isn't as close to as good as Pirlo though and doesn't have anywhere near the experience, which is a large part of what makes Pirlo so great. I don't see it necessary to replace Pirlo with another regista.

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But this Juventus team is begging for creativity and he is extremely good at providing it.Also i would go ahead and say his close control dribbling skills are better than Pogba.
but why get another regista when we could get a more effective am/trequartista/ss type player that can give us better creativity higher up the pitch compared to a regista.
 

Zacheryah

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here is the deal.

We need a playmaker.

Verratti is unrealistic.

Pogba, is a box to box midfielder, with a very wide range of talents that go cross niche. He has some playmaking in him aswel, but not like a genuine playmaker offcourse

Therefore, Pogba is the player we should keep. And we need to pick outselves up and win that europaleague in our own stadium.
THEN, with just 5 mil less then last year, we could consider a cam
 

Xperd

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and this is exactly why i'm keeping on about going 4-3-1-2/4-3-2-1.

Its just 1 transfer. One cam, good in the combination, off the ball movement and short space. And if licht+asamoah are fullbacks, we can have one at a time moving up, and marchisio( holding midfield) to cover behind.
really, think about it

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Yes but verratti is a terrific playmaker, and excells at playmaker skills.
With an AM we would probably improve our ability in the final third too.Altho in any case i'd have a backup winger if in case its needed for some tough opponents for tactical reasons.Not a bad idea until our financial situation improves but we cant go forward with a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-3-2-1 forever.

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but why get another regista when we could get a more effective am/trequartista/ss type player that can give us better creativity higher up the pitch compared to regista.
Its called keeping options open.We just cant go out there and buy any class AM if we want to.We have our own limitations.Verratti is a class player in his own right and if an opportunity crops up ,we should consider it.Plus he can play AM too.
 

Zacheryah

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Personally I would prefer 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 but I just can't see it being any little bit realistic, hence why 4-3-1-2 should be a good option if we can sign one really good AM that can be a difference maker. we'd also have tevez, vucinic and vidal to step in as AM backup also.

I would probably want a more offensive LB too, that can really push foward.

for CM we could have Pogba-Vidal-Asamoah which would be very hard to break down and great at covering other players also.



but that's about it. he isn't as close to as good as Pirlo though and doesn't have anywhere near the experience, which is a large part of what makes Pirlo so great. I don't see it necessary to replace Pirlo with another regista.

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but why get another regista when we could get a more effective am/trequartista/ss type player that can give us better creativity higher up the pitch compared to regista.
Well truth be told, we need a playmaker. wether its a regista or trequartista, doesnt matter. Just the best we can afford.

4-2-3-1 will limit pogba and vidal. if you got David Silva in the center and Lavezzi + Lucas on the flanks, and ibrahimovic up front, then its no problem.

However, limiting vidal+pogba for average wingers, is less, wich is why i'm not for wingers.

I like 4-2-3-1. I was the first fanboy of it here. But why dont we transition into it ?

We'd need a cam and 2 wingers. Well, get that Cam and go 4-3-2-1 / 4-3-1-2. Then, the year afterwards, you could look for wingers on the market
We can transition from 3-5-2 over 4-3-1-2 to 4-2-3-1. But obviously in multiple mercato considering price

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With an AM we would probably improve our ability in the final third too.Altho in any case i'd have a backup winger if in case its needed for some tough opponents for tactical reasons.Not a bad idea until our financial situation improves but we cant go forward with a 4-3-1-2 or a 4-3-2-1 for ever.

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Its called keeping options open.We just can go out there and buy any class AM if we want to.We have our own limitations.Verratti is a class player in his own right and if an opportunity crops up ,we should consider it.Plus he can play AM too.
Mwah, we can see about that. vidal/marchisio and especially pogba are young.They will be there for a while. if the cam isnt to old, we could wait and see what are the best options.

Just stupid that certain fucking teams, stack all the good cam's



About that, de bruyne wants to leave chelsea apparently. Can we get a better one ?
 

ZoSo

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Its called keeping options open.We just can go out there and buy any class AM if we want to.We have our own limitations.Verratti is a class player in his own right and if an opportunity crops up ,we should consider it.Plus he can play AM too.
but you're suggesting selling pogba? I don't see the point in that.

Well truth be told, we need a playmaker. wether its a regista or trequartista, doesnt matter. Just the best we can afford.

4-2-3-1 will limit pogba and vidal. if you got David Silva in the center and Lavezzi + Lucas on the flanks, and ibrahimovic up front, then its no problem.

However, limiting vidal+pogba for average wingers, is less, wich is why i'm not for wingers.

I like 4-2-3-1. I was the first fanboy of it here. But why dont we transition into it ?

We'd need a cam and 2 wingers. Well, get that Cam and go 4-3-2-1 / 4-3-1-2. Then, the year afterwards, you could look for wingers on the market
We can transition from 3-5-2 over 4-3-1-2 to 4-2-3-1. But obviously in multiple mercato considering price
:tup: we just lack so many players to go straight to wing heavy formation (with wingers good enough to be dangerous in cl) right now unless we get a large amount of cash.
 

Xperd

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but you're suggesting selling pogba? I don't see the point in that.
Any playmaker we buy has to be quality whether it be CM or AM.We cant just go for cheap bargain deals on inconsistent flops in a very important position.

Keeping Pogba will also be my first priority but if PSG offered a lucrative sum i'd be very tempted especially if it involved Verratti in a cash + swap deal.
 

Vialli_92

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I think Tevez can be sold along with the other dead weight. Tevez cant play in a 3 man attack unless played out of position and secondly he is not the clinical goal scorer we wished he was. Llorente i am very impressed with i would like to see him as the main striker. Vucinic and Gio can be sold, Gio is not good enough and Vuc is 30 and he is still hit and miss.

We have 3 right backs Isla, Caceres and Lich. Isla is the odd player out for me as he is terrible in attack and defence. Bonucci is an accident waiting to happen in most of our games he is decent in a back 3 but if we move to back four he will be exposed to much so best off to sell him. DC11 not good enough to play more than 5 games a season for us. I like Peluso as (sub/rotation) player he gets the job done and is not bad at it.

Pirlo i would like to keep him but only as a part time player. We cant rely on 35 year olds every game it is not healthy for the team. A midfield of Vidal-Asamoah-Pogba as our main starters is pretty impressive, we have Pirlo and Marchisio to rotate in and out which are good options.

Cerci would be a decent purchase i think for us he can play right wing and through the centre and is very versatile. He would be a decent option for the right wing spot and wouldn't break the bank. We have Zaza and Berardi if we want to give a chance to youth. A LB is a must this season cant have Asamoah playing out of position all the time in a role he is not great at. Coentrao is available this summer a good LB for a reasonable price.

We are not that far off being a complete squad we just need the management to get there act together and start buying useful players.
 

Zacheryah

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but you're suggesting selling pogba? I don't see the point in that.



:tup: we just lack so many players to go straight to wing heavy formation (with wingers good enough to be dangerous in cl) right now unless we get a large amount of cash.
Exactly the point that infuriates me, and why you see me go on and on about formations all the time.

People post formations with average players, and expect it to deliver cause it has a certain shape.

People forget that our 3-5-2 would easely lock down that formation cause licht and asamoah will win the duels, and with wingers out of the game, our very strong CM wins the battle.

People forget, that this isnt real madrid. Yes, real can go wingplay and trash a 3-5-2. Just like Bayern.
WHy ? cause its fucking ronaldo, bale, di maria, robben, ribery, muller on the wings.

You dont buy such world class for peanuts

So we should get as much quality on the field as possible, and accomodate them with the formation that brings out most of them. hence the 3-5-2 around pirlo vidal marchisio/pogba

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Invest in Lulic and Cuadrado next summer, and bring Berardi aboard
explain me how we can afford cuadrado

I think Tevez can be sold along with the other dead weight. Tevez cant play in a 3 man attack unless played out of position and secondly he is not the clinical goal scorer we wished he was. Llorente i am very impressed with i would like to see him as the main striker. Vucinic and Gio can be sold, Gio is not good enough and Vuc is 30 and he is still hit and miss.

We have 3 right backs Isla, Caceres and Lich. Isla is the odd player out for me as he is terrible in attack and defence. Bonucci is an accident waiting to happen in most of our games he is decent in a back 3 but if we move to back four he will be exposed to much so best off to sell him. DC11 not good enough to play more than 5 games a season for us. I like Peluso as (sub/rotation) player he gets the job done and is not bad at it.

Pirlo i would like to keep him but only as a part time player. We cant rely on 35 year olds every game it is not healthy for the team. A midfield of Vidal-Asamoah-Pogba as our main starters is pretty impressive, we have Pirlo and Marchisio to rotate in and out which are good options.

Cerci would be a decent purchase i think for us he can play right wing and through the centre and is very versatile. He would be a decent option for the right wing spot and wouldn't break the bank. We have Zaza and Berardi if we want to give a chance to youth. A LB is a must this season cant have Asamoah playing out of position all the time in a role he is not great at. Coentrao is available this summer a good LB for a reasonable price.

We are not that far off being a complete squad we just need the management to get there act together and start buying useful players.
Tevez is our most creative player in many games, and you'd ship him off ?

Vucinic wont bring enough cash to get an even replacement
 

Vialli_92

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Exactly the point that infuriates me, and why you see me go on and on about formations all the time.

People post formations with average players, and expect it to deliver cause it has a certain shape.

People forget that our 3-5-2 would easely lock down that formation cause licht and asamoah will win the duels, and with wingers out of the game, our very strong CM wins the battle.

People forget, that this isnt real madrid. Yes, real can go wingplay and trash a 3-5-2. Just like Bayern.
WHy ? cause its fucking ronaldo, bale, di maria, robben, ribery, muller on the wings.

You dont buy such world class for peanuts

So we should get as much quality on the field as possible, and accomodate them with the formation that brings out most of them. hence the 3-5-2 around pirlo vidal marchisio/pogba
Asamoah is terrible playing as lwb in the 5-3-2. Wing backs have to be good going forward and Asamoah just cant do it. He is much better in his natural position in CDM.
 

Vialli_92

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Exactly the point that infuriates me, and why you see me go on and on about formations all the time.

People post formations with average players, and expect it to deliver cause it has a certain shape.

People forget that our 3-5-2 would easely lock down that formation cause licht and asamoah will win the duels, and with wingers out of the game, our very strong CM wins the battle.

People forget, that this isnt real madrid. Yes, real can go wingplay and trash a 3-5-2. Just like Bayern.
WHy ? cause its fucking ronaldo, bale, di maria, robben, ribery, muller on the wings.

You dont buy such world class for peanuts

So we should get as much quality on the field as possible, and accomodate them with the formation that brings out most of them. hence the 3-5-2 around pirlo vidal marchisio/pogba

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explain me how we can afford cuadrado



Tevez is our most creative player in many games, and you'd ship him off ?

Vucinic wont bring enough cash to get an even replacement
He's a striker though we bought him to score goals not create. If he cant find the back of the net we would be better off getting a player who can create better than him because lets face it he's not an amazing creative player.
 

Zacheryah

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Asamoah is terrible playing as lwb in the 5-3-2. Wing backs have to be good going forward and Asamoah just cant do it. He is much better in his natural position in CDM.
Asamoah does pretty good at beeing a wingback. WHat you are describing is basically a winger.

He's a striker though we bought him to score goals not create. If he cant find the back of the net we would be better off getting a player who can create better than him because lets face it he's not an amazing creative player.
If we bought tevez to score goals, then we are retards. Look at his goal history. He's not a goalscorer, he's a creative player that can do something special

Llorente, whilst mostly helping the team, is a real goalscorer
 

Vialli_92

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Not far off being a complete squad, yet you want to sell 3/5 of the forwards Juve own? Including Tevez!
Yes! We want to go back to a 4-3-3 we dont need lots of forwards for that formation. Gio sucks and Vuc is so inconsistent we would be better shipping them off. Tevez cant score he's not near clinical enough to warrant a starting spot every game and with Tevez we cant play 4-3-3 unless he plays out on the wing.
 

Xperd

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Tevez isnt really a creative player.He is more of a goal threat than helping his mates to score

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Asamoah does pretty good at beeing a wingback. WHat you are describing is basically a winger.



If we bought tevez to score goals, then we are retards. Look at his goal history. He's not a goalscorer, he's a creative player that can do something special

Llorente, whilst mostly helping the team, is a real goalscorer
Dude only Van Persie and Rooney had scored more goals than him in the league during his time in Man City.
 

Vialli_92

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Asamoah does pretty good at beeing a wingback. WHat you are describing is basically a winger.



If we bought tevez to score goals, then we are retards. Look at his goal history. He's not a goalscorer, he's a creative player that can do something special

Llorente, whilst mostly helping the team, is a real goalscorer
What has he done special for us in the CL? he hasn't done any thing and he is no Del Piero. Del Piero could do something special along with scoring crucial goals as well. Tevez is just a mediocre version of Del Piero and i never liked his purchase in the first place just because he limits the formations u can play with him.

I think he is a pretty good player but u have to play 2 strikers every time with him.
 
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