in last years campaign we got celtic in the last 16 and that's why we reached top8. if look at todays champions league we would have got Chelsea and they would have beaten us quite easily considering the style of play and consistency under mourinho. last year's Chelsea was half the team of this years Chelsea. We were luckly with the team picks lasdt year and that's why the 352 worked. we had better players in every single position.
Barca got trashed because of their lack of physicality and organisation. they had to tactical strategy whatsoever. it was not the formation that made them loose it was their lack of focus and bad organisation. and considering that Bayern are now using 4141 which is a high pressing 433 and are trashing everyone, I thin it's suitable for us too to use something similar.
in a 433 the central midfielders are not limited, actually they will have less defensive duties and therefore will have more chance to attack. a 433 with vidal and pogba is a 4-1-4-1 when attacking .
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We defeated celtic and got eliminated by the by far best team. That doesnt give shit evidence that other teams would have gotten us, even if we had a weaker frontline.
You name a chelsea that had won the CL. We won without our current strikers who made us so much better. We shut up hazard, and their flanks, with our 352 quite well.
Just imagine this team when the defence is in a decent form
Barcelona got trashed, because bayern very easely countered their playstyle and formation. Barcelona's 433 has a weak central axis, and if you can domminate the center and cut off the flanks and combinations via Iniesta, then suddenly they are very exposed. This is the case for every 433 with 2 offensive mids, and why its in essence unbalanced. Barcelona's overwhelming offensive talent, and the general lack of good defensive players, masked this a great deal.
Bayeren are offcourse not using a 433.
Last year, they had a massive 4231 going, wich so many younger talents, who only got better.
For this year, first, they killed dortmund by getting gotze. Its evident on how much worse dortmund has become. Beeing a genuine CL contender last year, and a challenger in the bundesliga, they fell far behind now, didnt impress in the groupstage and had a very lucky draw in the first round, much more then we with celtic last year.
Because we dont have such overwhelming talent, and especially because we cant get wingers remotely close to the talent bayern has, we can offcourse not use their formation.
For bayern, the fact that there is no good defensive team, and that they got worldclass wingers and midfielders, makes it work. Without such wingers, it wont work.