Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (47 Viewers)

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May 22, 2013
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add: Jorge Martinez, Ammortamento Annuo = €3m... don't know his wages but he won't be in 14/15's budget. also Ziegler was at Sassuolo during 13/14 so why is he mentioned? what is the context?
You take their transfer costs and divide them by the years the contract run. That way you will get price paid for rights to player a year, plus it with yearly wages and you get the average yearly cost. It's not that simple in real life though.
Let's say we bought Vucinic for 5 million, and gave him a 5 year contract. The price we had to pay his former club would be 5 million, but for an asset in five years, which means a loss of 1 million a year. Why? Because when we buy him, we don't calculate that as a loss, since the amount we spend would decrease in our cash post but a similar amount would be added to the assets post. So when his contract runs for five years, we will decrease the value (if his value is 5 million for 5 years, it's 1 million a year) of this asset that is Vucinic' rights with 1 million every year and put that as an operation cost. Furthermore we have to pay his salary, so if he earns 1 million pr. year, we wouldn't lose any value in the company when buying him, but every season we would "loose" 2 million.

This under assumption that his value is constant in all those years. If a player turns out to grow a lot, his value will increase, which will mean we will revalue him as an asset in the books. This have happened to Pogba etc.
A problem we had before the scandal was, that the part of assets that were our squad was valued very high (maybe too high) which means we had major operational costs every year when their contract ran down - forcing us to renew a lot and stuff. But what the figure tries to show, i believe, is the average yearly cost for those players. Ziegler is there because we own him, and his value as an asset decreases each season, but we don't pay him wages, so that is not a part of our costs...

Hope it makes sense, it is a lot easier to explain in my own language than in english ;-)
 

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jukazem

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You take their transfer costs and divide them by the years the contract run. That way you will get price paid for rights to player a year, plus it with yearly wages and you get the average yearly cost. It's not that simple in real life though.
Let's say we bought Vucinic for 5 million, and gave him a 5 year contract. The price we had to pay his former club would be 5 million, but for an asset in five years, which means a loss of 1 million a year. Why? Because when we buy him, we don't calculate that as a loss, since the amount we spend would decrease in our cash post but a similar amount would be added to the assets post. So when his contract runs for five years, we will decrease the value (if his value is 5 million for 5 years, it's 1 million a year) of this asset that is Vucinic' rights with 1 million every year and put that as an operation cost. Furthermore we have to pay his salary, so if he earns 1 million pr. year, we wouldn't lose any value in the company when buying him, but every season we would "loose" 2 million.

Hope it makes sense, it is a lot easier to explain in my own language than in english ;-)
I knew that. that's why I said Martinez's amortisation is €3m. 12m on 4 year contract, €12m/4=€3m, his contract runs out in 3 days. No more amortisation expense with regards to Martinez next year.
 
May 22, 2013
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I knew that. that's why I said Martinez's amortisation is €3m. 12m on 4 year contract, €12m/4=€3m, his contract runs out in 3 days. No more amortisation expense with regards to Martinez next year.
I misunderstood your point then, sorry. And yes, as long as we own Martinez and pay him wages, he will cost us money each year - even if we loan him out to save the wages, we would still have a lower net worth each year from him (unless we already value Martinez as zero)... So you are totally on point here, i think though, that we already decreased his value, which means we have taken more of the cost by devalueing assets in earlier years, leaving us with less costs in the last years of his contract :)
 

Joe

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Dec 20, 2009
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Reports from France are saying that Juventus have found a 1-year agreement with Didier Drogba with the option for an additional year.

Juventus have an agreement in principle with Iturbe. If Juve fail to sign Iturbe they'll turn back to Sanchez.
- SKY :)lol:)
 

GrecoJuve

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May 19, 2014
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That overprice is before of his age. Iturbe has the potential to be on of the best someday. As Verona bought him for 15m they can't sell him for the same price or for plush 5m.
Anyway, 17-18m cash+Quag is a very good price.
 

Zacheryah

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I'm not saying we should be spending 50m+ net but there's no reason why we can't offload a few players and sign someone like Sanchez for like 25m if Arturo convinces him to come to Juve :D We already got like 15m or more from Immobile and Zaza
he'll be around double of that, so we wont even bother

Reports from France are saying that Juventus have found a 1-year agreement with Didier Drogba with the option for an additional year.

Juventus have an agreement in principle with Iturbe. If Juve fail to sign Iturbe they'll turn back to Sanchez.
- SKY :)lol:)
These rumors, are amazing.

"so yeah, if we cant get floro flores, we might try to get Messi"

seriously, why does anyone even take that crap serious

i really dont think we should spend 30 mil on iturbe, max i d give for the guy is 15 which is what verona paid
what, 30 mil ? what insane news

If you want to mock juventus, go support some other team
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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I was never impressed with Iturbe and I think people here overrate him, especially those who haven't seen him much, or at all, but follow the general hype.
 
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