Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (27 Viewers)

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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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It's ludicrous to say we were better two years ago, I have no idea why that myth is so widely spread. We were easier to break down, just look at the Napoli game where we were we were trailing by 3 goals at half time (the comeback was one of the best things to happen that season, but it doesn't take away our complete meltdown before HT).
In general our play was more energetic, also due to the fact that we only had to play one competition, but ultimately much more fragile, and above all, inconsistent.
We played better football, definitely more conducive of success in Europe. Nowadays it's just Capello-like and lethargic.
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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We can argue if we were better last season, but definitely not two seasons ago.
It'll always be a special season for many as we finally clinched 30th title and left behind all those years of sorrow; arguably we play better now and are more efficient. I remember 5 draws in a row during Jan-Feb period, terrible goalless game vs Siena sometime in Dec, draw vs Bologna, Cagliari, Fiorentina, Genoa... No, no I prefer this Juve, we don't always play beautiful, struggle at times, but the final result is more than satisfying.
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
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I see the 3-5-2 vs 4-3-3 debate continuing, yes I would like 4-3-3 if we had the right players but are people seriously suggesting that a switch to 4-3-3 now will somehow make our players tireless and make them pressure like mad like we used to do? :facepalm2:

"Oh look, I'm playing a bit to the left, I'm not tired anymore"
 

Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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I see the 3-5-2 vs 4-3-3 debate continuing, yes I would like 4-3-3 if we had the right players but are people seriously suggesting that a switch to 4-3-3 now will somehow make our players tireless and make them pressure like mad like we used to do? :facepalm2:

"Oh look, I'm playing a bit to the left, I'm not tired anymore"
:agree:
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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It'll always be a special season for many as we finally clinched 30th title and left behind all those years of sorrow; arguably we play better now and are more efficient. I remember 5 draws in a row during Jan-Feb period, terrible goalless game vs Siena sometime in Dec, draw vs Bologna, Cagliari, Fiorentina, Genoa... No, no I prefer this Juve, we don't always play beautiful, struggle at times, but the final result is more than satisfying.
It is probably my favourite season ever (I was still a little kid back in the 90es, didn't really get all that much), we finally returned to the top after the dire years of Secco and Del Neri in the a triumphant fashion undefeated, and all that in Del Pieros last season... :touched:


From an at least somehow objective viewpoint it is clear that as a team, we have evolved since then, and become a lot better, thankfully.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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352 with players like vidal and pogba will kickass a 433 with catagna players that's obvious. but a 4231 or 433 with the likes of robbery , Ronaldo and robben coming at you is another story. with the 352 there is no extra cover and that's why we flopped like fish against Bayern.
The bayern game was mostly our lack to keep the ball up front, disabled our gameplan. With tevez and llorente we changed thar.

Against madrid, such wingers, demand a reshuffle to counter it. Only bayern and real demand this. For all the rest there is 352.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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It's also intersting that 4-3-3 advocates always cite the Bayern game as a reason to change formation, while the best team currently employing 4-3-3 got completely smashed by Bayern a few weeks later.
 

rakib567

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Apr 27, 2013
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It's also intersting that 4-3-3 advocates always cite the Bayern game as a reason to change formation, while the best team currently employing 4-3-3 got completely smashed by Bayern a few weeks later.
it's not just the formation, but a lot goes to the formation. with 352 we saw deep and Bayern where not able to break us as frequently as they did with barca which I may remind you has a midfielder as their primary centre back. we however witht the 352 shoed no offensive power anyways and even though we have tevez and llorente upfront, any top defender will be able to break their moves down. I would only have 352 in Europe if we have someone like suarez or cavani upfront.

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The bayern game was mostly our lack to keep the ball up front, disabled our gameplan. With tevez and llorente we changed thar.

Against madrid, such wingers, demand a reshuffle to counter it. Only bayern and real demand this. For all the rest there is 352.
man city, Chelsea, psg, Dortmund are sarting to overlap their fullbacks. with the 352 we won't have cover for them and if we use our midfielders we would leave agap in midfield so it won't work.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
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our full backs don't overlap? how do you explain how Lichtsteiner has scored quite a few goals for us, and not forgetting how asamoah always gets into advanced positions.

you talk so much rubbish you aren't even making sense at all
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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it's not just the formation, but a lot goes to the formation. with 352 we saw deep and Bayern where not able to break us as frequently as they did with barca which I may remind you has a midfielder as their primary centre back. we however witht the 352 shoed no offensive power anyways and even though we have tevez and llorente upfront, any top defender will be able to break their moves down. I would only have 352 in Europe if we have someone like suarez or cavani upfront.

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man city, Chelsea, psg, Dortmund are sarting to overlap their fullbacks. with the 352 we won't have cover for them and if we use our midfielders we would leave agap in midfield so it won't work.
Stop mentionning the bayern game, we have made a huge improvement since.

Its irrelevant that they have overlapping fullbacks.
if you crowd and domminate the center, they'll have a difficult time reaching those flanks, and one of the cm's and cb's will allways aid the wingback.

The only situation when it becomes hard, is when you got the best player in the world on the left flank, who runs 100 meters under 11 seconds on grass, and a nearly as fast and very talented aswel Di Maria on the opposite side. Then you simply play a back4 because you dont have the pace to keep up.

If you bother looking up, thats exactly what conte said when we played madrid. He changed the formation cause he knew we'd domminate the center and interrupt their gameplan, but knew that they were that much faster then our wingbacks, that is was a huge risk. so he played a back4

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our full backs don't overlap? how do you explain how Lichtsteiner has scored quite a few goals for us, and not forgetting how asamoah always gets into advanced positions.

you talk so much rubbish you aren't even making sense at all
He means doubeling up. As in the wingers go offensive and the fullbacks join them, creating a 1v2 against the wingback if your coach doesnt protect that from happening
 
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