Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (66 Viewers)

[zizinho]

We never spend too much and most of our key players were brought here for peanuts. Unless we sell I don't think we're going to spend big this summer. We'll have to satisfy with players like Cerci and Nani as our top picks IMO. In case we sell one of our stars, then it's totally different, but otherwise I don't expect big moves. Inter, Milan, Roma and Napoli might make big moves, at least regarding youth talents, but they will have to -- since they will have an extra competition (Roma) or they'll try to find their old path of 'glory' (Milan/Inter), or just to keep progressing like Napoli. But I don't expect much from us because we have established ourselves on the top.

i would love to see Cerci and Nani here more than Di Maria and Isco if that means we'll keep Pogba

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What quantity players did we buy this summer?

Ogbonna? One of the hottest defensive talents in Italy
Llorente? Look at the season he is having here, need I say more?
Tevez? ...
Asamoah? ...

buying a starter calibre player will automaticaly improve our bench as someone from our starting XI might lose his spot and hit the bench. Buying Pelusos and Padoins will improve nothing as players from our bench are better than these...

 

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[Nzoric]

buying a starter calibre player will automaticaly improve our bench as someone from our starting XI might lose his spot and hit the bench. Buying Pelusos and Padoins will improve nothing as players from our bench are better than these...

Thank you for that fascinating piece of insight, but common practice dictates that you respond to the actual post you're quoting.

 

[donpiero]

We never spend too much and most of our key players were brought here for peanuts. Unless we sell I don't think we're going to spend big this summer. We'll have to satisfy with players like Cerci and Nani as our top picks IMO. In case we sell one of our stars, then it's totally different, but otherwise I don't expect big moves. Inter, Milan, Roma and Napoli might make big moves, at least regarding youth talents, but they will have to -- since they will have an extra competition (Roma) or they'll try to find their old path of 'glory' (Milan/Inter), or just to keep progressing like Napoli. But I don't expect much from us because we have established ourselves on the top.

Just as it was necessary for us to spend big 3 years ago to set the foundation of this new team, I feel we've reached the max with these set of players and thus necessary to yet again spend big, but this time to bring a coupla world class players to take us one step further to be a contender for CL.
Otherwise we'll see the same routine next year: being the favorites for the scudetto, crashing out of CL in the 1/8th or quarters, cuz the likes of Cerci/Nani/menez wont do jack sh!t for us regarding a CL objective.

 

[zizinho]

Thank you for that fascinating piece of insight, but common practice dictates that you respond to the actual post you're quoting.

we bought Ogbonna to strenghten our bench - quantity
Llorente - one of our starting strikers go to the bench - quantity
Tevez - the other starting striker goes to the bench - quantity

every signing is a quantity in a direct or indirect way thats what im saying

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Just as it was necessary for us to spend big 3 years ago to set the foundation of this new team, I feel we've reached the max with these set of players and thus necessary to yet again spend big, but this time to bring a coupla world class players to take us one step further to be a contender for CL.
Otherwise we'll see the same routine next year: being the favorites for the scudetto, crashing out of CL in the 1/8th or quarters, cuz the likes of Cerci/Nani/menez wont do jack sh!t for us regarding a CL objective.

Agreed

We can't spend ridiculous amounts of money like certain other clubs. But we should be able to get a decent investment every few seasons as right now without Selling a key player, I don't see how we'll possibly improve our squad significantly. Unless we get lucky, really lucky.

 

[rakib567]

Guys I remember vucinic playing well on the leftwing. if he can play well there then would you keep him?

 

[Dostoevsky]

What quantity players did we buy this summer?

Ogbonna? One of the hottest defensive talents in Italy
Llorente? Look at the season he is having here, need I say more?
Tevez? ...
Asamoah? ...

We signed Asamoah earlier. But it's not about the names, nor I'm saying we bought crap players, but during each season we see members say stuff like 'this summer we're so gonna sign a 30-50mln player (Aguero, van Persie, you name it -- people were confident they will be signed)'. Truth is, we almost never did that. Sure we signed some great players but we never broke the bank for one certain player (nor it's likely we'll do it any time soon). Last time we did that was 50mln for Melo + Amauri which ended up to be a complete failure. Tevez and Llorente both we signed for like 12mln (Llorente for free actually) and those were good moves, but yet unexpected, and not those WC signings majority of members thought we'd pull.

Every year (ever since I registered here) people wanted and thought we'd sign big names for big money (including myself till not so long ago) but we never saw it. People always wanted Hummels/Subotic, Gundogan, Veratti, Hamsik, Cavani, Falcao, van Persie, Xabi and so many other names, those who can turn the game on their own as they are established and pretty much WC players or close to that level. It's always the same story going 'we'll just buy one player this summer, some WC name' and when the time comes the case is totally different. Look at our squad and some of our main key players: Barzagli (300k), Licht (10mln), Pirlo (0), Pogba (0), Vidal (10-12mln), Tevez (10mln), Llorente (0).

Do you think we'll change anything? I personally highly doubt, especially not this summer when we choked in Europe and lost some of the cash, while we also have installments waiting in the office. Also, people ask and it might actually happen this summer, which is a new formation. If we chose to play 4-3-3 we'll need plenty of wingers because out of this squad we have only Mirko and he'll be the one leaving in the summer. We need plenty of those if we decide to play it. You will see many people say 'lets sign Robben, Ribery, Griezmann and others while in fact we're gonna bid hard for players like Cerci, Nani, Menez (free) and possibly Cuadrado. I'm not saying those are potentially bad signings, but IMO the realistic ones we're gonna chase. Some of those might pay off, but are those the names that will push us through the CL? I highly doubt it. We need players with more brain to actually change something and carry us forward, we have plenty of muscle already. But those brains usually cost quite a lot.

And lastly, all of what I said can easily be totally the opposite and we might sign some 'big' names, but only in case we sell one of our stars: Pogba or Vidal. That's at least how I see it.

 

[rakib567]

Lazio midfielder in line for shock Juventus return?

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/03/lazio-midfielder-in-line-for-shock-juventus-return/


candevra

 

[Enron]

Guys I remember vucinic playing well on the leftwing. if he can play well there then would you keep him?

Not enough of a work rate to play there consistently.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Lazio midfielder in line for shock Juventus return?

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/03/lazio-midfielder-in-line-for-shock-juventus-return/


candevra

Unlike many of our current players I actually think he'd improve our depth. During his stay here he was quite good and I liked him but his price was rather heavy.

He got better in Lazio so I wouldn't mind that move at all, if the price is right.

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But that's a bad source without any quotes whatsoever, so it's pretty much BS at this point.

 

[Enron]

Candreva's been quite good for Lazio. Really improved since his Juventus days.

 

[Cheesio]

Don't see where he could play if he came back, he's not typical MF nor he is a winger ( if we switch to 4-3-3 ), maybe a role a la Giaccherini

 

[Enron]

I don't see him fitting in, unless as an advanced playmaker in a 3-5-2.

 

[Dostoevsky]

Don't see where he could play if he came back, he's not typical MF nor he is a winger ( if we switch to 4-3-3 ), maybe a role a la Giaccherini

We used to use him on the wing quite a few times and he was pretty good. Even at Lazio he plays on the right side and does well (ehm, he was the one who destroyed Bonucci on one occasion on the wing). He can also cover MC spot IMO so he'd be quite useful for a rotation.

 

[Fr3sh]

We signed Asamoah earlier. But it's not about the names, nor I'm saying we bought crap players, but during each season we see members say stuff like 'this summer we're so gonna sign a 30-50mln player (Aguero, van Persie, you name it -- people were confident they will be signed)'. Truth is, we almost never did that. Sure we signed some great players but we never broke the bank for one certain player (nor it's likely we'll do it any time soon). Last time we did that was 50mln for Melo + Amauri which ended up to be a complete failure. Tevez and Llorente both we signed for like 12mln (Llorente for free actually) and those were good moves, but yet unexpected, and not those WC signings majority of members thought we'd pull.

Every year (ever since I registered here) people wanted and thought we'd sign big names for big money (including myself till not so long ago) but we never saw it. People always wanted Hummels/Subotic, Gundogan, Veratti, Hamsik, Cavani, Falcao, van Persie, Xabi and so many other names, those who can turn the game on their own as they are established and pretty much WC players or close to that level. It's always the same story going 'we'll just buy one player this summer, some WC name' and when the time comes the case is totally different. Look at our squad and some of our main key players: Barzagli (300k), Licht (10mln), Pirlo (0), Pogba (0), Vidal (10-12mln), Tevez (10mln), Llorente (0).

Do you think we'll change anything? I personally highly doubt, especially not this summer when we choked in Europe and lost some of the cash, while we also have installments waiting in the office. Also, people ask and it might actually happen this summer, which is a new formation. If we chose to play 4-3-3 we'll need plenty of wingers because out of this squad we have only Mirko and he'll be the one leaving in the summer. We need plenty of those if we decide to play it. You will see many people say 'lets sign Robben, Ribery, Griezmann and others while in fact we're gonna bid hard for players like Cerci, Nani, Menez (free) and possibly Cuadrado. I'm not saying those are potentially bad signings, but IMO the realistic ones we're gonna chase. Some of those might pay off, but are those the names that will push us through the CL? I highly doubt it. We need players with more brain to actually change something and carry us forward, we have plenty of muscle already. But those brains usually cost quite a lot.

And lastly, all of what I said can easily be totally the opposite and we might sign some 'big' names, but only in case we sell one of our stars: Pogba or Vidal. That's at least how I see it.

There's a lot more factors to why we didn't make such purchases then us not having the available funds. Between '07-12 we were an unattractive destination, we had the funds and we wasted it, we made the wrong investments. If the Amauri's, Melo's and Diego's amounted to anything we would've won a scudetto or two. Money became an issue after we started to rejuvenate the club, the continanssa project, the stadium, the image of the club (social media, tv, etc, lounges abroad) and all of those things require immediate investments in order to propel the Juventus brand. I think our sporting performances comes second for Agnelli. And it makes sense why, you gotta have a proper establishment and what not.

But I do believe we do have the funds for the likes of Kagawa, Nani and whatever other players that are not in high demand and that are in a limbo at their respective club, hence we are looking for no more than opportunistic signatures that will hopefully improve us significantly. Hopefully in five years or so we can compete for the Aguero's of the world after our projects are complete and successful. I can see us being heavyweights in less then ten years if the all the investments for the stadium, Italy is very behind and we can ransack the entire league of it's talent.

 

[Dostoevsky]

There's a lot more factors to why we didn't make such purchases then us not having the available funds. Between '07-12 we were an unattractive destination, we had the funds and we wasted it, we made the wrong investments. If the Amauri's, Melo's and Diego's amounted to anything we would've won a scudetto or two. Money became an issue after we started to rejuvenate the club, the continanssa project, the stadium, the image of the club (social media, tv, etc, lounges abroad) and all of those things require immediate investments in order to propel the Juventus brand. I think our sporting performances comes second for Agnelli. And it makes sense why, you gotta have a proper establishment and what not.

But I do believe we do have the funds for the likes of Kagawa, Nani and whatever other players that are not in high demand and that is in a limbo at their respective club, hence we are looking for no more than opportunistic signatures that will hopefully improve us significantly. Hopefully in five years or so we can compete for the Aguero's of the world after our projects are complete and successful. I can see us being heavyweights in less then ten years if the all the investments for the stadium, Italy is very behind and we can ransack the entire league of it's talent.

That is certainly an excellent point and we have done well trying to re-establish Juve as a brand world-wide. At the moment I see us making move like Dortmund and follow their transfer philosophy, rather than being compared with other top clubs. We're trying to sign quality players for next to nothing in nowadays market while we move for promising youth players and I have nothing against that. But tbh changing the formation to 4-3-3 scares the crap out of me because if we fail to sign a player that will shine immediately we might screw everything we managed to build for years. But yet again... I'm still not confident of the change. If we sell Pogba I think we're most likely changing it... but if not, I'm not so sure about it. C'mon... just look at this

- playing Tevez on the left
- benching Llorente
- benching Asamoah, or placing him to be a LB

None of those make sense if we're changing the formation.

 

[Mark]

I think putting most of our budget on a guy that can play the wing(preferably the left)/support striker we could compete in the CL.
The rest of the signings can go for freebies or bench players if the likes of Quag, Mirko, Pepe, Gio, Padoin, Peluso, Isla go.

 

[Fr3sh]

In my opinion, retaining our assets would make this a successful mercato.

 

[Joe]

That is certainly an excellent point and we have done well trying to re-establish Juve as a brand world-wide. At the moment I see us making move like Dortmund and follow their transfer philosophy, rather than being compared with other top clubs. We're trying to sign quality players for next to nothing in nowadays market while we move for promising youth players and I have nothing against that. But tbh changing the formation to 4-3-3 scares the crap out of me because if we fail to sign a player that will shine immediately we might screw everything we managed to build for years. But yet again... I'm still not confident of the change. If we sell Pogba I think we're most likely changing it... but if not, I'm not so sure about it. C'mon... just look at this

- playing Tevez on the left
- benching Llorente
- benching Asamoah, or placing him to be a LB

None of those make sense if we're changing the formation.

And I don't think that makes sense to Conte either. He knows he has a talented squad, honestly I think we have a lot of quality in this team and we really underachieved this season in the CL.

I think even if the team stayed the same from this season to the next, without an upgrade in the starting XI we'd do much better next time around.

 

[Fr3sh]

- playing Tevez on the left
- benching Llorente
- benching Asamoah, or placing him to be a LB

None of those make sense if we're changing the formation.

It can hopefully work, if he can replicate what he did in his first season. Conte was unpredictable.