Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2014-15) (20 Viewers)

[Quetzalcoatl]

I'm sure we'll stick with the 3-5-2, but besides that, I don't see Conte being a fan of so many personnel changes.

It'll be a difficult thing to do to improve the team, imo. Honestly, I'd like a better SS than Tevez. He'd be a quality backup to have, but having Tevez on the bench is asking for trouble; it won't happen.

 

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[Pirlo's Beard]

Unless we had a dream team, I don't see 3-5-2 ever winning us the CL

To transform ourselves into a CL winning team with 3-5-2 we'd really need a team where 6 or 7 players were among the very best in their positions.

I'm talking about Lahm, Messi, Cavani, T.Silva. Which isn't happening for 1,000 reasons.

We don't need a World Class attack with a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 imo because unlike some teams with top attackers, we have a fantastic defence and midfield.

Now add Di Maria into the mix and we have one hell of a team in all departments.

 

[zizinho]

why are we linked with nani anyway. he renewed his contract with manchester (he wanted more money) last summerand i dont think someone renews his contract just to leave the next summer...

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Plenty of players over time have renewed contracts only to leave soon after

The player typically gets a bump in wages, the club guarantees that they don't get screwed because of a player running down his contract.

 

[Suns]

Like I said

Di Maria on the right.

Not sure about the left, but with Pogba money we have options

Also Benching Bonucci and Asamoah doesn't strike me as being such an awful thing to do. If we're not willing to bench players who aren't World Class then we aren't getting anywhere soon

I agree though if we'd end up with Nani and Menez as starters it's not worth it.

Benching Bonucci means benching a big part of what made our defence this good the last 3 seasons. Barz, Bonucci and Chiellini compliment each other perfectly, I'm not so sure Barz and Chiellini would be as successful without Bonucci.

Asamoah is one of the best midfielders out there, he would have easily started for a lot of top teams out there, it just so happens that he plays for us and we have one of the best midfields in the world. Manchester United should forget about other players and make his their #1 target. His position is not a classic wingback, Conte plays him for two reasons, the first being that he's too good and talented to sit on the bench and the second is that he offers us that extra 4th midfielder and mostly why we always win the midfield battles. Asamoah is strong as fuck and good both defensively and offensively, whatever he offers as a typical wingback is just extra. I would not trade him for Coentrao or any other typical wingback available out there.

Those two guys are essential to our success and unless you got like Di Maria and Griezmann/Robben arriving next season then I would not sell Pogba or switch to a 4-3-3.

 

[Fellas]

If Pogba goes I would like to see something like this

Buffon

Licht Barzagli Chiellini Coentrao

Vidal Marchisio Asamoah

Nani Tevez Di Maria


Storari

Caceres Bonucci Ogbonna Murru

Rossi Pirlo Marrone

Berardi Llorente Firmano


I don't trust Nani so much but he will battle with Berardi, Firmano for his spot

 

[zizinho]

Plenty of players over time have renewed contracts only to leave soon after

The player typically gets a bump in wages, the club guarantees that they don't get screwed because of a player running down his contract.

but if he asked for bigger money wouldnt it mean he is more likely to go to a money club. i dont think we would get a player from United and give him a pay-rise...

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Another option I like


Buffon
Licht Barz Chiellini Coentrao
Vidal Marchisio Asamoah
Di Maria Tevez Griezmann

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but if he asked for bigger money wouldnt it mean he is more likely to go to a money club. i dont think we would get a player from United and give him a pay-rise...

No of course we wouldn't give him a pay rise

My point is, he was at United with no guarantee of leaving. They offer him a new contract which guarantees he has extra years at the club no matter what. So if he doesn't find a move he has an extra 2 years earning a few million per season

United also guarantee he doesn't leave soon on a free. It's a win-win for both player and club financially.

 

[Fellas]

Another option I like


Buffon
Licht Barz Chiellini Coentrao
Vidal Marchisio Asamoah
Di Maria Tevez Griezmann

:hellyes: I like it

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

I'd love to see Llorente in a 4-3-3 with 2 proper Wingers, but Tevez is the better player so he gets the nod.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

With that, our midfield and defence is weaker. Lose Pogba for that?

All we really lack is some midfield creativity, and that's the problem with the 3-5-2.

 

[zizinho]

how is Adriano from Barcelona never mentioned as a LB option. he can play both sides and both wingback and fullback. he has a great cross and shot and also is a second option behind alba... he has a contract till 2015 and is 29 already (when hes done murru will be entering his best years) so he shouldnt be expensive (if he is for sale)...

 

[Suns]

Honestly, the 3-5-2 will stay. It will take way too much for us to switch. Way too many personnel changes need to take place in order for it to happen.

There is not much we can do to improve the 3-5-2 except for 1 player and that is Licht. We all love Licht but we need more creativity on that wing. Licht is a hard worker but he can't create himself really and his crosses are terrible. Licht is a RB at heart, not a wingback.. A player like Cuadrado would be the only real improvement to our game. His creativity, dribbling ability and offensive game would give us that extra push in offence that we really need.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Is our defence really weaker with Licht in his natural position and Bonucci out of the line-up? That's debatable tbh

Midfield? weaker without Pogba. But still strong enough.

So our defence isn't significantly better or worse, our midfield weakens in quality but becomes more of a work-horse midfield. As Conte likes

Our attack becomes much, much better. Which is crucial if we want to progress in Europe.
Also, we can no longer be abused 2v1 down each flank. Which is a huge help against teams such as Bayern, Dortmund and Madrid.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Honestly, the 3-5-2 will stay. It will take way too much for us to switch. Way too many personnel changes need to take place in order for it to happen.

There is not much we can do to improve the 3-5-2 except for 1 player and that is Licht. We all love Licht but we need more creativity on that wing. Licht is a hard worker but he can't create himself really and his crosses are terrible. Licht is a RB. A player like Cuadrado would be the only real improvement to our game. His creativity, dribbling ability and offensive game would give us that extra push in offence that we really need.

Licht is the one player we need to improve on? Dafuq. He'd be one of the first names on the team.

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Is our defence really weaker with Licht in his natural position and Bonucci out of the line-up? That's debatable tbh

Midfield? weaker without Pogba. But still strong enough.

So our defence isn't significantly better or worse, our midfield weakens in quality but becomes more of a work-horse midfield. As Conte likes

Our attack becomes much, much better. Which is crucial if we want to progress in Europe.
Also, we can no longer be abused 2v1 down each flank. Which is a huge help against teams such as Bayern, Dortmund and Madrid.

Coentrao weakens it, imo.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

There are no available wing-backs that can do what we'd need in a 3-5-2

Cuadrado is 5 times better as a winger, he's wasted at wing back

3-5-2 has reached its limits, and I'm baffled as to why people don't see that.

If we are pressed well, our team falls apart. Our 3-5-2 becomes a 5-3-2. All we can do is give it to our 2 strikers who try an impossible combination of 1-2's.

 

[Suns]

Licht is the one player we need to improve on? Dafuq. He'd be one of the first names on the team.

It depends on what you are asking for. Licht is a defender at heart, not a wingback. He has done well thus far but Cuadrado is first of all an excellent player and has that individual ability that we're looking for on the flank without having to switch to a 4-3-3. Licht does a lot of things well and he'll run up and down that right flank until the game is over but you can't expect him to do anything with the ball or ask him to create something against those bus parked defences we face every week in Italy.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Imagine Alaba and Ribery doubling up on Cuadrado

Game over, good bye.

3-5-2 is flawed against intense pressure and against 4-2-3-1

Look at the trouble an awful Milan side caused us.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Man, we differ greatly here. An out of position Licht is still superior to Cuadrado imo. I see Cuadrado best as winger, but I think he's overrated a bit anyway. Licht has his weaknesses, but overall he does his job superbly and brings a lot to the team.

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Imagine Alaba and Ribery doubling up on Cuadrado

Game over, good bye.

3-5-2 is flawed against intense pressure and against 4-2-3-1

Look at the trouble an awful Milan side caused us.

All formations have formations that they are either strong or weak against.

 

[zizinho]

the options that will hurt least is to keep the 352 next season with the option to play 433. for that we would need 2 right wingers, a really great one (i still believe we can get cuadrado) and a bench option like cerci. we also need to consider that they are capable to play in 352 also.

so that way we would have the 352 as our main formation and have the 433 also as an option which would give us more tactical flexibility. and 433 is the best formation if we wanna change cuz vidal and pogba going forward is more important to us that tevez being in the center. he would just be moved to the side to help out the fullback in defense (against pressing teams and to solve the 2v1 problem on the flanks), and he would move inside and be a "left sided ss" when we attack...