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ZoSo

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Nainggolan might not even cost that much. Apparently we rate Marrone at 8-10m and Beltrame is maybe 2? Add 5m cash and we might have Nainggolan, hardly a 35m Modric transfer to sit on the bench.


Over who? I probably would take someone like Coentrao over Nainggolan but Nainggolan will still be really useful imo. If Matri can cover Nani transfer then I think we would have enough for one more 10-15m transfer.
 

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Vlad

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Or he might not. I assume we are talking about signing Nainggolan for this year, anyway.
Regardless of that Pirlo is aging and this can't be reversed. I don't expect him to play as much as last year and certainly not with Nainggolan around.

Doesn't really matter how you dress it up or lies you add, we have a lot of good CM options already, and after that ones that are fine to play a quarter-third of the season.
Lies? No we have 4 good CMs and no other valid options around. Asamoah? We would need good LWB in that case.


Yeah, we're not getting him for that offer. That's about €10m worth of players tops, and I seriously doubt we are going to give Cagliari the full contract of either player.
You don't know that. They seem to rate some of our youngsters so it's not far fetched theory. We've done similar deals before.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge of Appelt but he, Bouy, Kabashi, Schiavone, Sakor, Cavion and Cevallos are all amongst our most highly rated youth assets in their age categories. We are talking about players that are fighting to be 5th or 6th choice, after all, given the above.
Appelt according to many will never be good enough to break into our 1st team. You're overrating the rest of them but suit yourself, only time will tell.


Already explained, put that salary elsewhere. Otherwise you have a lot of salary allocated into one area of the team. If you add Nainggolan and the impending salary increases to those players Juventus are going to need to pay €35m-€40m per year just for the CM area. Considering we are now paying Tevez nearly €10m and Llorente €8m I'd debate statements like 'we could afford him'. He'd be a luxury for this season, which is just another word for stockpiling.
Having 5 good players is not stockpiling. Move on. You know how much we pay to our mids, attacker or defenders? We wouldn't break bank with him.


For me it's too much for one season, without an additional offensive winger 'wild card', which would be more useful. If Pirlo is to go next season then get him then and move Pogba. I just don't see how this is working, are we suddenly going to rest Vidal for 30% more games, or Pirlo for 30% more and move Pogba there? Is Nainggolan going to play just a third or half of games? Can't see it.
It's for Conte to figure out. Injuries and suspensions can decimate any team. You never know what might happen and I repeat 5 players for 3 positions which have been crucial for our upraise is reasonable.
I actually think Marotta is very keen on Nainggolan, and he is a very good player, but we have become a bit obsessed in the CM area. As it is, a one-in one-out policy makes most sense. I'm not going to get tied up in future scenarios because it's guesswork, just judging based on our current squad.
And there is a reason for that. Our mid has been vital for our success lately. Nainggolan would add a great depth and provide more competition. Who knows, he might just push someone out of starting 11.
 

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Regardless of that Pirlo is aging and this can't be reversed. I don't expect him to play as much as last year and certainly not with Nainggolan around.
So next year then...

Lies? No we have 4 good CMs and no other valid options around. Asamoah? We would need good LWB in that case.
Lies being that Marrone and Padoin are not good enough for the bench.

You don't know that. They seem to rate some of our youngsters so it's not far fetched theory. We've done similar deals before.
Not 100%, but I'm almost certain. You're saying that Cagliari are going to swap their best player for Marrone and a youth team striker. Sounds like fantasy stuff, we'd need to throw in money.

Appelt according to many will never be good enough to break into our 1st team. You're overrating the rest of them but suit yourself, only time will tell.
Not my opinion, I'm just mentioning their status. These kids are all good at their level, other teams wanted them. Obviously 95% don't make our team because we have a strong team, but the idea of our youth system is to bring through players for the first team. Given our strength in CM and this selection of players it's not unreasonable to think we at least have another Marrone in the bunch.

Having 5 good players is not stockpiling. Move on. You know how much we pay to our mids, attacker or defenders? We wouldn't break our bank with him.
Pirlo, Pogba, Marchisio, Vidal, Asamoah and Nainggolan = 6, into 3. You have to include Asamoah simply because he is a CM and the possibility of a 4-3-3 rules out his makeshift position. It's also why I'd prefer the money for a versatile wingback option.

It's for Conte to figure out. Injuries and suspensions can decimate any team. You never know what might happen and I repeat 5 players for 3 positions which have been crucial for our upraise is reasonable.
And there is a reason for that. Our mid has been vital for our success lately. Nainggolan would add a great depth and provide more competition. Who knows, he might just push someone out of starting 11.
And if he does someone will eventually leave. It's exactly what happens at teams who stockpile, you get 1, maybe 2 seasons from players in a back up role, then they leave. But that's not really the issue, it's paying for these players. You seem convinced of our finances, but I suspect that is no more true than those who convinced themselves we could pay €25m+ for players.

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Nainggolan might not even cost that much. Apparently we rate Marrone at 8-10m and Beltrame is maybe 2? Add 5m cash and we might have Nainggolan, hardly a 35m Modric transfer to sit on the bench.

Over who? I probably would take someone like Coentrao over Nainggolan but Nainggolan will still be really useful imo. If Matri can cover Nani transfer then I think we would have enough for one more 10-15m transfer.
In an ideal world we'd have Nainggolan as an option, but I suspect if we do somewhere down the line we'll be talking about having no money and having to shift players before buying.
 

Vlad

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So next year then...
Not 100%, but I'm almost certain. You're saying that Cagliari are going to swap their best player for Marrone and a youth team striker. Sounds like fantasy stuff, we'd need to throw in money.
We'll see.

Lies being that Marrone and Padoin are not good enough for the bench.
Padoin is decent RWB and nothing more. As CM he's terrible. Marrone is not valid option otherwise Conte would give him more playing time. How many games has he played there last year? He's not happy rotting on the bench either so he's probably gone.



Pirlo, Pogba, Marchisio, Vidal, Asamoah and Nainggolan = 6, into 3. You have to include Asamoah simply because he is a CM and the possibility of a 4-3-3 rules out his makeshift position. It's also why I'd prefer the money for a versatile wingback option.
Until we get better LWB he's staying there. If we're stockpiling anything it's strikers. 6 for 2 positions seems to be the bigger issue right now but somehow for you 5 or I'll indulge you 6 to cover for 3 positions is stockpiling. Ok.

And if he does someone will eventually leave. It's exactly what happens at teams who stockpile, you get 1, maybe 2 seasons from players in a back up role, then they leave. But that's not really the issue, it's paying for these players. You seem convinced of our finances, but I suspect that is no more true than those who convinced themselves we could pay €25m+ for players.
I've seen occasionally our FR and follow our general trend as I like this club and well have some knowledge in this area but no I'm not convinced in anything nor do I go around convincing other people in what to believe. Paying those players you say? Never crossed my mind.
 

JuveJay

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It's common knowledge we are looking to and in the process of selling strikers.

I still think you're exaggerating, but I'm almost convinced that we should sign Nainggolan now :D
 

Vlad

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It's common knowledge we are looking to and in the process of selling strikers.
I know but it's been dragging on for ages now. I'm aware that it's not an easy all considering and I really don't blame anyone.

I still think you're exaggerating, but I'm almost convinced that we should sign Nainggolan now :D
You've finally come to your senses. :D
 
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