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[Vlad]

3-5-2?even in the CL?

We should change it. Modern football is based around 433 or 4231. We'll always get overrun by the likes of Bayern or Dortmund if we stick to 352. Some people along with our coach would say formation is not important, it's players and their implementation of specific formation what matters the most. And they are not far from the truth. You can't play 433 or 4231 with a a squad we have atm. But looking at our game against Bayern where all deficiencies of 352 were out to see I'm led to believe that sticking with same system won't allow us to make a step forward. Just an opinion.
Having said that I hope we'll bring right players to fit 433.

 

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[Deep C]

3-5-2?even in the CL?

I think the chatter about a 4-man backline comes from (if it's not pulled from thin air) Conte wanting a few players able to fit that formation so he has an alternate formation to his primary one.

Anyway, if we have Llorente and Tevez up front in a 3-5-2 and the rest of the team (and Conte) has a year of CL behind them, I'm not to worried about getting super exposed next year. Apart from some defensive issues our main problem against e.g. Bayern were that our forwards were completely useless in build up play. That would most certainly change with those two. We also still have to remember that Bayern were and are a better team with a much more experienced coach.

 

[Zacheryah]

I am relaxed with the 352 up to a point. We do need a plan B. I think we look vulnerable when class teams press our back 3. Our 433 was also very effective when Pepe was available. Conte didn't give up on the formation - he just didn't entrust Isla to make the 433 work.

Plan B is needed for that flexibiltiy against teams that are good against 3-5-2.

But it shouldnt undermine the main formation

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We should change it. Modern football is based around 433 or 4231. We'll always get overrun by the likes of Bayern or Dortmund if we stick to 352. Some people along with our coach would say formation is not important, it's players and their implementation of specific formation what matters the most. And they are not far from the truth. You can't play 433 or 4231 with a a squad we have atm. But looking at our game against Bayern where all deficiencies of 352 were out to see I'm led to believe that sticking with same system won't allow us to make a step forward. Just an opinion.
Having said that I hope we bring right players for this system 433.

Actuallty, 3-5-2 is pretty much the counter against both 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1.

the reason we lost to bayeren was poor form, the lack of forwards, and the bigger quality of bayeren.

One could go as far as saying that 4-3-3 is not usable anymore after bayeren's 4-2-3-1 completely trashed barcelona's 4-3-3.

Beeing a 4-2-3-1 junky myself, i continue trusting an excellent coach such as conte with his 3-5-2 that has gotten excessive succes

 

[Roman]

How do you mean "even in the cl"

4-3-3 is mostly about more offensive, less defensive, meaning its good in the league against lesser teams. Cause there winning is more important

The rigid result based 3-5-2, is actually more suited for cup competition, where the most important is "not losing"

I am relaxed with the 352 up to a point. We do need a plan B. I think we look vulnerable when class teams press our back 3. Our 433 was also very effective when Pepe was available. Conte didn't give up on the formation - he just didn't entrust Isla to make the 433 work.

We should change it. Modern football is based around 433 or 4231. We'll always get overrun by the likes of Bayern or Dortmund if we stick to 352. Some people along with our coach would say formation is not important, it's players and their implementation of specific formation what matters the most. And they are not far from the truth. You can't play 433 or 4231 with a a squad we have atm. But looking at our game against Bayern where all deficiencies of 352 were out to see I'm led to believe that sticking with same system won't allow us to make a step forward. Just an opinion.
Having said that I hope we'll bring right players to fit 433.

That's exactly what i was thinking,that's why i asked about keeping the 3-5-2...

I think the chatter about a 4-man backline comes from (if it's not pulled from thin air) Conte wanting a few players able to fit that formation so he has an alternate formation to his primary one.

Anyway, if we have Llorente and Tevez up front in a 3-5-2 and the rest of the team (and Conte) has a year of CL behind them, I'm not to worried about getting super exposed next year. Apart from some defensive issues our main problem against e.g. Bayern were that our forwards were completely useless in build up play. That would most certainly change with those two. We also still have to remember that Bayern were and are a better team with a much more experienced coach.

But for sure with Tevez-Llorente we'll be a much better 3-5-2 than last year.

 

[Vlad]

Actuallty, 3-5-2 is pretty much the counter against both 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1.

the reason we lost to bayeren was poor form, the lack of forwards, and the bigger quality of bayeren.

One could go as far as saying that 4-3-3 is not usable anymore after bayeren's 4-2-3-1 completely trashed barcelona's 4-3-3.

Beeing a 4-2-3-1 junky myself, i continue trusting an excellent coach such as conte with his 3-5-2 that has gotten excessive succes

You can look at it like that of course. Bayern undoubtedly had more quality. But when their wingers pressed us, both our wing backs were pushed back while the space between Bayern's both flanks was left empty of our players, which allowed them to control the ball with ease. It looked at times we have one player less compared to them. More quality won't change that.

 

[ZoSo]

You can look at it like that of course. Bayern undoubtedly had more quality. But when their wingers pressed us, both our wing backs were pushed back while the space between Bayern's both flanks was left empty of our players, which allowed them to control the ball with ease. It looked at times we have one player less compared to them. More quality won't change that.

:trollol:

 

[baggio]

If Tevez came though, I can see Vucinic leave. Just won't make sense for him to be on the bench when he can still start elsewhere.

 

[ZoSo]

I don't trust Gio enough to let Mirko go. He's rarely shown the creativity that Mirko can provide.

I think Quag & Vucinic are great bench options that can make an impact in any match. Well maybe besides ones where we are massively outclassed like vs Bayern.

Tevez, Llorente, Quag, Vucinic, Gio? looks pretty good to me. Though if we had the cash available, I would like to see us sell Gio for maybe ~12m and try to buy Jojo. But I don't think Viola will budge from 30m... 20-22m is far more realistic and fair for Jojo. Might be a little too stacked though in terms of players not being happy with minutes. But Tevez, Llorente, Quag, Vucinic, Gio would still be like a 500% upgrade on what we have now.

 

[alexjuventino]

If Tevez came though, I can see Vucinic leave. Just won't make sense for him to be on the bench when he can still start elsewhere.

And plus we have GIO

 

[Nzoric]

If Tevez came though, I can see Vucinic leave. Just won't make sense for him to be on the bench when he can still start elsewhere.

I can't imagine the club fucking itself so hard in the ass as to letting go of Mirko. There will be plenty of games to play even as a substitute, three competitions and injuries ensure that. A proper top club needs players like Mirko on the bench so make a difference when it's needed.

 

[baggio]

I don't trust Gio enough to let Mirko go. He's rarely shown the creativity that Mirko can provide.

I think Quag & Vucinic are great bench options that can make an impact in any match. Well maybe besides ones where we are massively outclassed like vs Bayern.

Tevez, Llorente, Quag, Vucinic, Gio? looks pretty good to me. Though if we had the cash available, I would like to see us sell Gio for maybe ~12m and try to buy Jojo. But I don't think Viola will budge from 30m... 20-22m is far more realistic and fair for Jojo. Might be a little too stacked though in terms of players not being happy with minutes. But Tevez, Llorente, Quag, Vucinic, Gio would still be like a 500% upgrade on what we have now.

Yea I'd prefer keeping Vucinic too, but I just don't think it'll pan out that way from the club's and player's perspective. Tevez and Llorente are going to be undisputed starters. If anything, Llorente is going to be the one more likely to need a strong sub in which case Quag and/or Matri wiil feature like last year.

Would definitely see us keeping Gio over Vucinic, if Conte wants to exploit his speed on the wings for a secondary formation. Tevez, Llorente, Giovinco, Quag, Matri/Zaza/Etc?

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I can't imagine the club fucking itself so hard in the ass as to letting go of Mirko. There will be plenty of games to play even as a substitute, three competitions and injuries ensure that. A proper top club needs players like Mirko on the bench so make a difference when it's needed.

This is not just the club, but even from the players perspective. If you noticed, the first post I mentioned this in, was how he would perhaps keep his interests in mind.

 

[ZoSo]

Yea I'd prefer keeping Vucinic too, but I just don't think it'll pan out that way from the club's and player's perspective. Tevez and Llorente are going to be undisputed starters. If anything, Llorente is going to be the one more likely to need a strong sub in which case Quag and/or Matri wiil feature like last year.

Would definitely see us keeping Gio over Vucinic, if Conte wants to exploit his speed on the wings for a secondary formation. Tevez, Llorente, Giovinco, Quag, Matri/Zaza/Etc?

Yeah I can't see Gio leaving, though I don't think its likely for Mirko to leave now either, I think he still has at least one more season minimum with us.

I think Matri needs to be sold, especially considering how he doesn't really seem to thrive on being the underdog like Quag.

 

[Zacheryah]

There is a big gap in quality between vucinic and the other players, if you dont count llorente.

So if we'd sign a new forward, vucinic would be the last whe'd show the door.

 

[baggio]

We could sell Vucinic and recover all of the transfer fee spent on Tevez. You'll be getting a like for like replacement for profile and responsibilities on the pitch, and an upgrade at that. Keeping this in mind, it may just be a business minded decision. Tevez for Vucinic. In effect you are upgrading a key area on the pitch.

 

[Zacheryah]

Selling vucinic and getting tevez wont solve that much.

Its basically a huge gamble hoping tevez isnt declining further, and if he is missing a game, we need to field the shit that we got when not counting llorente and vucinic

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not to mention "selling vucinic" cannot happen

His value for our team, is MUCH higher then the price teams can actually pay for him.

And tevez would probably come for FAR to high wages and a to high transferprice consdering the big risk he is.


Who are you kidding ? he's going to monaco.

Tevez lowering his wage demands ? that would be a new miracle

 

[baggio]

Selling vucinic and getting tevez wont solve that much.

Its basically a huge gamble hoping tevez isnt declining further, and if he is missing a game, we need to field the shit that we got when not counting llorente and vucinic

You got to look at this from Vucinic's perspective. He is almost sure to lose that starting spot to Tevez. And if he's going to be on the bench, then he might as well go to the Epl, play more and most importantly, earn more. The way I see it, is Matri could to Meelan for about 12m or Vucinic to Tottenham for abo 15m to recover this investment, while getting the upgrade.

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Selling vucinic and getting tevez wont solve that much.

Its basically a huge gamble hoping tevez isnt declining further, and if he is missing a game, we need to field the shit that we got when not counting llorente and vucinic

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not to mention "selling vucinic" cannot happen

His value for our team, is MUCH higher then the price teams can actually pay for him.

And tevez would probably come for FAR to high wages and a to high transferprice consdering the big risk he is.


Who are you kidding ? he's going to monaco.

Tevez lowering his wage demands ? that would be a new miracle

His transfer fee according to estimates in the press are between 10 and 12m. Juve are reported to be offering 12m in transfer fees, and have a 3 year contract agreement with him at 5.5m plus bonuses. Looks like a pretty good deal on paper if true. Far better than Higuain at 30m.

 

[JuventusMark]

Thiago was immense for Spain today, i'd love to have him here

 

[j0ker]

Marotta seems to like these kind of deals, for that reason we should go for Nani too. Conte mentioned both a few times last season (

Tevez - Llorente --- Nani

For a combined fee of 22mln.

(I'm generous, I know )

 

[Völler]

Gomez: 'Fiorentina and Juve interested'

Bayern Munich striker Mario Gomez’s agent confirmed Fiorentina, Juventus, Atletico Madrid and Manchester City “are interested.”

The forward has made it clear he would like to move on from the Champions League holders so he can get more regular playing time.

He had been considered close to Napoli or Fiorentina, but agent Uli Ferber revealed there is another Serie A side in the race.

“Fiorentina are not the only club interested, as there are also Juventus, Atletico Madrid and Manchester City,” the representative told German newspaper Bild.

“When he returns from his vacation, we will evaluate the best solution for Mario.”

http://football-italia.net/35478/gomez-fiorentina-and-juve-interested

 

[David01]

according to his agent Fiorentina, Juve, Man City and Atl Madrid are interested in Gomez (Bayern)