Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2013-14) (21 Viewers)

[adRHCP]

Et tu, Brute?

I think its to much net spend.

if we cant get higuain, it would have been so great to get jovetic for player exchange deal, but viola refuses...for now

No Nani then, k

 

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[j0ker]

How is that to much too spend?

Are you telling us we don't have 45mln after sales to spend? Is this Cagliari?

Not counting wages, just transfer fees.

 

[Zacheryah]

How is that to much too spend?

Are you telling us we don't have 45mln after sales to spend? Is this Cagliari?

Not counting wages, just transfer fees.

Considering how our past 3 years created huge deficits, only offset by the big exxor loan and the capital injection of shareholders
Considering our increasing net dept as a result
And, considering the 11.7 mil for continessa project we have to pay

Yeah, 45 mil is FAR to much.

Check the marotta topic last 5/3 pages for the details

 

[ALC]

we can always borrow from the lannisters

 

[Zacheryah]

But who will pay, the iron price ?

 

[adRHCP]

Considering how our past 3 years created huge deficits, only offset by the big exxor loan and the capital injection of shareholders
Considering our increasing net dept as a result
And, considering the 11.7 mil for continessa project we have to pay

Yeah, 45 mil is FAR to much.

Check the marotta topic last 5/3 pages for the details

What would you say our budget is? I was assuming that 45M would be just about right without couting on the small sells we could do with Quagliarella/Matri/Giovinco, De Ceglie, Melo, Ziegler, etc.

 

[Orgut]

If Milan really want Matri then he is theirs as for I care
Quag is a good player but I wouldnt mind him gone too (for a good price)
Giovinco - I think he is vastly overated by Conte. He has the potential to be world class but he is nowhere near it right now and I doubt he`ll ever be! Anyway he wont be sold...

We already got Llorente and we could get Immobile as a sub. He looks promising from what I have seen of him.
and since we wont get 2 new forwards in addition to the new forward that we have signed (Llorente) we only need one great forward

 

[shouldline31]

What would infuriate me is this:

1) We have already signed Peluso (4.5m) and soon Ogbonna (8-14m depending on players included in the deal)
2) We are also looking at Zuniga - no idea on what the fee there is but lets say its 5-8m.

i.e we would have already spent >20m.

This is what I don't get. Whether or not you want Higuain or not. Saying that you are not willing to pay 25m for a player is weird given you spend that on squad players. I also wonder where Ogbonna and Peluso will fit in. If we stick with 3 at the back, then what about Caceres?

My point is, look at priorities. If you have a squad of say 24 players, you know you have a starting 11 and 7 on the bench on a match day and 6 reserves. In my view, 75% of transfer fees (or player value) and wages should be dedicated to those 11 players Conte has in mind that would start the vast majority of important matches.

Caceres cost us almost 10m and he is a squad player. Peluso cost us 5m and he is a squad player. Ogbonna better not be a squad player if he is going to cost 8-10m.

Before Llorente arrives we have 4 strikers at present: Vucinic, Giovinco, Quags and Matri. Not one of those 4 players is deemed important enough to regularly start - you can tell by how often the strikers get rotated compared with other positions. Yet, Vucinic cost 18m, Giovinco 24m (given that we paid 12m for 50%), Quags and Matri around 15m each. In other words, Juve's book value (not market value) on those names is EU72m!!!!

Out of curiosity I looked at every Juve squad since the early 1990s and looked at the strikers. With the exception of 1 year when they had DP, Baggio, Vialli and Ravanelli (that was a lot of big names) - in most years they had 3 top class strikers of HIGH market value at most. In the modern era they were Ibra, DP and Trez. 1 had to be benched and that seemed overkill.

What am I saying? I refuse to speculate but what I would love to see is 2 BIG name strikers and maybe Llorente. Sell the rest if we get a decent market value for them and bring in young players like Gabbiadini, Boakye etc to make up the numbers.

I mean, if you try to figure out the market value of our 1st 11 - its not that high by european elite standards - but if you look at what we PAID for our SQUAD players or bench players - that figure is very high compared to Europe's elite. Man U for instance, uses its youth system for its squad players. That is what we should do.

For Ogbonna and Peluso its seem that we need them, we need peluso to be Asamoah backup because we want to sell de ceglie, and also ogbonna,we need him, because currently we use 3 CB, we need at least 2 back up CB one Caceres and the other one is Ogbonna, I wont complain for both ogbonna and peluso transfer, the only one that I didnt get is Zuniga.

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If they give us Kovacic then we can give them Isla

NO!!, give us Milito and they can have Isla

 

[Adrian]

Zuniga is a more natural left back that Asamoah so i can understand going for him and utilising asamoah in his natural position in midfield. Maybe this way we can rotate 5 players through the 3 midfield positions to keep everyone fresh. I think Asamoah played well but was flat the the second half of the season.

I think it is important to not just focus on that striker...we do need depth in defence, and caceres and ogbonna would be ideal for that, and considering chiellini seems to get injured a fair bit these days i wont complain...just dont want to pay too much for ogbonna.

I think Vucinic could improve if he had tevez and llorente next to him. Right now he lacks that good finisher next to him and he should be playing as a SS, not the main striker. in saying that he can get us more money than others. Realistically Giovinco and Matri should be the first to go. We wont get much for Gio these days, maybe milan can pay 7 to 10 million for matri...if they are silly enough.

 

[Zacheryah]

What would you say our budget is? I was assuming that 45M would be just about right without couting on the small sells we could do with Quagliarella/Matri/Giovinco, De Ceglie, Melo, Ziegler, etc.

i doubt its higher then half of that before sales.

ANd the big problem are, the sales.

quag/matri/de ceglie
Who do you sell to ? Italians dont go abroad, especially at their age.
Serie a ? No serie a of whom they'd be an improvement to, could offer the cash. teams that have the cash, have (or think they have) better players at their positions.

ziegler ? perhaps his domestic competition but for how much ? he barely made a dent

giovinco likely to stay put

Melo, i genuily think we can sell. Thats the only one we actually should be able to sell

 

[Adrian]

yep, we have to several players to get 25 million at a minimum, and bring in one player to replace them.

 

[Zacheryah]

yep, we have to several players to get 25 million at a minimum, and bring in one player to replace them.

yes but there is no way we can sell them. The teams that they could go to, are having difficulties in the poor economic climate.

Best would be if we could do a player exchange with fiorentina, in that regard

 

[Bianconero81]

We have no money

We are poor and fucked

 

[chester]

i doubt its higher then half of that before sales.

ANd the big problem are, the sales.

quag/matri/de ceglie
Who do you sell to ? Italians dont go abroad, especially at their age.
Serie a ? No serie a of whom they'd be an improvement to, could offer the cash. teams that have the cash, have (or think they have) better players at their positions.

ziegler ? perhaps his domestic competition but for how much ? he barely made a dent

giovinco likely to stay put

Melo, i genuily think we can sell. Thats the only one we actually should be able to sell

We don't agree on much, but on this, I agree with you.

The only real sell-able players we have are:
Bonucci
Chiellini
Vidal
Marchisio
Vucinic
Asamoah
and perhaps Melo

But since these (except Melo) are part of the starting 11, this won't happen.
All the rest just isn't interesting due to age or salary or, just not good enough.

 

[donpiero]

We have no money

We are poor and $#@!ed

But but we can buy 5 players under 10 mil though

 

[ZoSo]

We have no money

We are poor and fucked

We should be bankrupt.

 

[Nicholas]

Nobody knows how much money we have to spend.

 

[Cronios]

considering our annoual budget, its about 50mil before sales.
15mil will go to Ogbonna, 5mil to Peluso and we are left with about 30mil... just enough for the higuain/Gomez deal.

Any sales (Melo, Matri/Quaq,Martinez, youngsters) could fund other minor squad player acquisitions.

But as we know Marotta, he will fail to get a top player and waste those 30mil on 2-3 lesser players...

 

[Xperd]

Hence why these pseudo financial experts should stop running their mouth especially that milan fan in particular cos in reality they are just speculating just like how any ordinary fan wud.

 

[j0ker]

Considering how our past 3 years created huge deficits, only offset by the big exxor loan and the capital injection of shareholders
Considering our increasing net dept as a result
And, considering the 11.7 mil for continessa project we have to pay

Yeah, 45 mil is FAR to much.

Check the marotta topic last 5/3 pages for the details

Wanna bet we will end up spending over 50mln?