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napoleonic

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Sep 7, 2010
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No. The stupid fans are the ones that want to stack an entire department. You can't buy 3 or 4 attackers in one summer. It's going to take them time to gel, get accustomed to the system, etc... This is not Football Manager FFS! You can't restart when you lose a game.

We've already acquired Llorente, and we only need one more SS to complement Llorente in attack. Once that is accomplished, we can keep Matri and Vucinic as bench options, with Vucinic being the ace in the pack/an impact sub, and add a youngster to complete the attacking quintet, as I mentioned in another thread.

Selling Vidal would only serve to weaken us, and greatly strengthen a European rival. A dumb move by all accounts.
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1. that's why there's a preseason
2. Llorente + single quality SS pair alone WON'T be able to consistently perform all the time; what if one of them failed to integrate themselves? what if BOTH FAIL? what if they are running into injuries, suspension, and other force majeure that prevent them from playing? we are going to stuck with vucinic, matri and giovinco; essentially the current unreliable attacking force we all feel fed up with... what's next? loaning boriellos anelkas bendtners again? I also have a big doubt concerning Llorente, there's a reason why pure poacher with little skills is now an extinct breed in football, if he fail then a single jojo/sanchez/suarez will not enough to lead our attack. Our midfield is only strong at covering defenders, controlling and surrounding opponents, but not provide that much penetration, sure occasionally vidal or marchisio will score but games like against roma sampdoria milan proved us that we needed players that capable of penetrating with speed skills and touch play, we DO NOT have any players like that, giovinco supposed to be able to do that but he's not someone we can rely on to; think about that, if Llorente marked and our single shiny new SS also having trouble penetrating, who else can we throw to the field to add penetration? the ability to throw someone like sanchez when the situation demand to is > than holding vidal who at many times didn't add much at such situation.

besides remember folks, we still have Asamoah. please remember that.
3. if you think selling vidal will only serve to weaken us, what did you think about us selling zidane? vidal is nothing compared to zidane.

please remember, defense will never help you score goals, attack is.


if Llorente failed, then something like jovetic - sanchez is certainly much better than jovetic - matri/giovinco/vucinic/quaq/bori/anelka/batender.
 

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jukazem

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Suarez is probably the best striker we could possibly sign - and if an alternative to Vidal is there it wouldn't mean a world of difference.. Vidal is vital but we lack world class up front - signing Suarez would mean a downgrade of the midfield but an incredible upgrade of the attack. It's not a plan, just a thought so take it easy!!
No. We may improve slightly but an already stronger rival that trades a world-class midfielder for money would improve more than us. Look at Madrid, sold Robben to Bayern and Sneijder to Inter to fund Cristiano and others, that definitely improved Madrid but it improved Inter and Bayern also. Inter won the following year and Bayerns has played 2 of the 3 CL finals since. And look at the Zidane trade, we got Nedved and Buffon, 2 legends but Madrid won the CL the next year, got associated with the best player and dibs on all the best of France since. It would mean the world of difference if we sell our best players to fund for others, we will be helping our rivals who have much deeper pockets than us but looking for the right players. When we can't compete with them for players it's best we don't sell any to them. Besides which ambitious player would want to play in a team that just sold their best player.
 

Bianconero81

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That's true. But the idea builds on the fact that Suarez is on a totally different level then both Jovetic and Sanchez. IMO only Sanchez will ever become the player Suarez is..

Suarez would become serie a top scorer
Jovetic never will
Sanchez could

See the logics?
I see the logic, but it is somewhat flawed, as Jovetic might not need to be Serie A top scorer to have the desired impact ;)

As for Sanchez, he'd still be an upgrade, but I'd put him behind Suarez, Benzema, and Jovetic.
 

napoleonic

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:sergio: people keep forgetting we still have asamoah :sergio: that's the proof why you are stupid.

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No. We may improve slightly but an already stronger rival that trades a world-class midfielder for money would improve more than us. Look at Madrid, sold Robben to Bayern and Sneijder to Inter to fund Cristiano and others, that definitely improved Madrid but it improved Inter and Bayern also. Inter won the following year and Bayerns has played 2 of the 3 CL finals since. And look at the Zidane trade, we got Nedved and Buffon, 2 legends but Madrid won the CL the next year, got associated with the best player and dibs on all the best of France since. It would mean the world of difference if we sell our best players to fund for others, we will be helping our rivals who have much deeper pockets than us but looking for the right players. When we can't compete with them for players it's best we don't sell any to them. Besides which ambitious player would want to play in a team that just sold their best player.
oh smartass, notice who are/were they that been sold by their respective clubs? ALL ARE/WERE quality attacking players; vidal isn't.

question on ambition... lol... if we landed jojo and sanchez, anyone wouldn't question our ambition despite losing vidal.
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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:sergio: people keep forgetting we still have asamoah :sergio: that's the proof why you are stupid.
No. You are stupid because you fail to understand, respect, and incorporate other people's viewpoints.

Asamoah is our starting LWB. If we were to permanently move him to CM, we'd need to upgrade our LWB position as well, as Peluso and DC hardly offer guarantees. Thus, by selling Vidal, you not only weaken the midfield (as there is no guarantee Asamoah will be as influential as him), but the defence as well.

Suarez is a dream. I'd be willing to make some sacrifices/compromises to see him here, but it's much easier said than done.
 

TheLaz

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Oct 6, 2011
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No. We may improve slightly but an already stronger rival that trades a world-class midfielder for money would improve more than us. Look at Madrid, sold Robben to Bayern and Sneijder to Inter to fund Cristiano and others, that definitely improved Madrid but it improved Inter and Bayern also. Inter won the following year and Bayerns has played 2 of the 3 CL finals since. And look at the Zidane trade, we got Nedved and Buffon, 2 legends but Madrid won the CL the next year, got associated with the best player and dibs on all the best of France since. It would mean the world of difference if we sell our best players to fund for others, we will be helping our rivals who have much deeper pockets than us but looking for the right players. When we can't compete with them for players it's best we don't sell any to them. Besides which ambitious player would want to play in a team that just sold their best player.
IMO we can't consider Real Madrid as a rival team. they're way above us due to our recent years of failure. Zidane had to go - he wanted Real Madrid and Moggi had no choice but to accept this fact and deal with it - making up for the loss the best way possible. he signed the worlds best player (Nedved, awarded with Ballon d 'or the year before) for half of what he sold Zidane for.
I see the logic, but it is somewhat flawed, as Jovetic might not need to be Serie A top scorer to have the desired impact ;)

As for Sanchez, he'd still be an upgrade, but I'd put him behind Suarez, Benzema, and Jovetic.
Yes ofc. It depends how you rate Suarez. I see him as a goalscoring second striker, how funny it might sound. Signing both Jovetic and Sanchez would mean more goals from Llorente, but then again what do we want in Llorente?? We could play Llorente as Napoli play Cavani and hope for his abilities to award it or go with Suarez AND Llorente only to accept them sharing goals

Llorente + Suarez > Llorente + Jovetic / Llorente + Sanchez

But Suarez means selling out most probably
 

napoleonic

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No. You are stupid because you fail to understand, respect, and incorporate other people's viewpoints.

Asamoah is our starting LWB. If we were to permanently move him to CM, we'd need to upgrade our LWB position as well, as Peluso and DC hardly offer guarantees. Thus, by selling Vidal, you not only weaken the midfield (as there is no guarantee Asamoah will be as influential as him), but the defence as well.
are people this stupid??? seriously???

WE FAILED TO BEAT last year emergency mode Roma
WE FAILED TO BEAT some Danish 'minnow' club
WE LOSE to emergency mode Milan
WE LOSE AGAINST 10 MEN sampdoria
WE HAVE JUST LOST to another quite emergency mode Roma

anybody realize these examples I stated above?
they had 'SHIT' defence, and yet we failed to beat them.

fucking average chelsea withstand 2 of the best attack in europe.

how? zonal defense, collective effort in defending! you may laugh at those so called 'park the bus' BUT WE JUST DID AGAINST CELTIC FFS... notice something about that game? VIDAL WAS SHIT on that game.

did our oh so mighty defense broke? did we concede 10 goals? nope.

defense will never ever win you goals, attack is.

:sergio:
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Yeah. I'm not going to discuss shit with him anymore, as he seems to be a petulant, disturbed child, with issues regarding acceptance of other's opinions, particularly if they vastly differ from his own.

Sad and pathetic really.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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are people this stupid??? seriously???

WE FAILED TO BEAT last year emergency mode Roma
WE FAILED TO BEAT some Danish 'minnow' club
WE LOSE to emergency mode Milan
WE LOSE AGAINST 10 MEN sampdoria
WE HAVE JUST LOST to another quite emergency mode Roma

anybody realize these examples I stated above?
they had 'SHIT' defence, and yet we failed to beat them.

fucking average chelsea withstand 2 of the best attack in europe.

how? zonal defense, collective effort in defending! you may laugh at those so called 'park the bus' BUT WE JUST DID AGAINST CELTIC FFS... notice something about that game? VIDAL WAS SHIT on that game.

did our oh so mighty defense broke? did we concede 10 goals? nope.

defense will never ever win you goals, attack is.

:sergio:
So why does barcelona never had an unbeaten season despite not losing to top5 ?

Seriously, its serie a, defences are hard. deal with it.

we are 4 points ahead of napoli. do we got a better attack ?
 
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