i striker and 2 inside wingers around him ?
doesnt need to be classic ajax 4-3-3
doesnt need to be classic ajax 4-3-3
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Doesnt seem that great. Apparently Arsenal and Inter wanted him too.
Actually this mercato hasn't shown any sign that we will stick to the 352 at any cost. Ogbonna is just as much a future investment as a backup/rotation CB to the established three.. If we get the chance to sign a player like Di Maria I think we'll take it. If the bank approves of course!
As underlined so many times before, we play 352 because of Pirlo and Bonucci.. Once Pirlo is gone the management must make a choice of two: look for a new regista (30m € valued Verratti by that time), or a change of tactics. Originally Conte was a big fan of the 4-2-4 formation but a smart manager makes changes to the squad available. Don't fool yourself and believe this Juve will continue to play 352, like Barca insist on the 433.
If we sign better attackers then we hold defenders, Conte will change..
As underlined so many times before, we play 352 because of Pirlo and Bonucci.. Once Pirlo is gone the management must make a choice of two: look for a new regista (30m € valued Verratti by that time), or a change of tactics. Originally Conte was a big fan of the 4-2-4 formation but a smart manager makes changes to the squad available. Don't fool yourself and believe this Juve will continue to play 352, like Barca insist on the 433.
If we sign better attackers then we hold defenders, Conte will change..
Look, its simple
The 3-5-2 has proven to be an exceptionally solid, durable team.
We need a 3man backline and wingbacks, as we and the azzurri have proven its the only way you can put a massive organisation currently, with 4-2-3-1 beeing the exception but that needs exceptionally good players.
So there you have it, we need the 3-5-2. We can consider going 3-4-1-2 once pogba is a permanent starter.
But stop these retarded 4 man backline formations. they dont work for us
The 3-5-2 has proven to be an exceptionally solid, durable team.
We need a 3man backline and wingbacks, as we and the azzurri have proven its the only way you can put a massive organisation currently, with 4-2-3-1 beeing the exception but that needs exceptionally good players.
So there you have it, we need the 3-5-2. We can consider going 3-4-1-2 once pogba is a permanent starter.
But stop these retarded 4 man backline formations. they dont work for us
Playing 4 in defense is more attacking football then playing 5. If you play with a 4-man backline you can even have a midfielder or two playing as CDM/tracking-back-CMs. If you want to field the best players you have, you field the 352. We don't have any top class wingers/creative attackers. What we currently have is 5 top class CBs, and therefore we play a formation that will allow us to use all three at a time. Asamoah and Lichtsteiner would be much better assets to the team if played in position. Pirlo dropping in form and we lose.
Unless the wingbacks are Marcelo-kind-of-players the 352 is old skool defensive italian.. Sorry.. We can't even hold possession against the primavera?
Unless the wingbacks are Marcelo-kind-of-players the 352 is old skool defensive italian.. Sorry.. We can't even hold possession against the primavera?
You havent taken my advice to stop talking about tactics i see. Let me school your noobish brain.
Between 2007 and 2012, every national team that faced spain, had their asses handed back to them, beeing violently raped. Their new style blazed away any opponent it faced, with ease. Apart from 1.
Euro 2008
after 2006, the azzurri had a creative and finishing problem.The defence and organisation were still good. They had difficulties in the groupstage, but when they entered the knockout, they did what they do best of any team : lock down the opponent.
For the entire game, italy played a defensive zonal pressure game, with quick counters over the wing. This very effectively countered the creative issues they had, and made most of their massive defence, and pacy counters
A young chiellini, guided by panucci, and gattuso had massive games. Grosso in his typical excellent NT games and zambro, completely locked spain down. During the game, italy had the better chances and when camo came on, he missed the best chance of the game.
Spain ? they raped each team, and were very lucky to go trough undeserved against italy on penaltys. then they continued to rape everything, and won the euroz.
WC 2010
Horribly italy there, the end of a generation. cannavaro, gattuso, zambrotta, all rubbish, no creative players, no strikers. not in the game.
This marked a very precious point in history. The end of excellent italian defender, as the last two, cannavaro and zambrotta were past it, and nesta had quit internationally allready.
Spain on the other hand, started with a loss, and easely domminated every other team to grab the cup. again, nothing do do against spain
euro 2012
Comming of the massive juventus unbeated scudetto, came a new italy based on a juventus core.
This juventus core, had been playing a 3man backline, with wingbacks. reason beeing quite simply that there werent great italian defenders in 1v1 situations anymore, so this was adopted by conte instead.
Prandelli adopted conte's formation, blessed with juventus players. For the first time in 4 years, suddenly a team actually put up a fight with spain. in fact spain was lucky to grab a draw at the end.
Against england and germany, due to the lack of a powerfull cdm, a 4-4-2 was used instead to offset their formations. Whilst the formation looks diffrent on paper, the principle is the same. fullbacks pushing up to crowd the midfield, and force into duals, whilst taking maximum advantage of the high quality italian long balls.
2013
Learning from the mistakes, and now seeing beyond doubt the massive succes of the 3-5-2 formation, the azzurri used the 3-5-2 again in the confederations cup. despite playing pretty bad in the first two games, when they came against spain, once again, they were better, and were very unlucky to go out on penalties.
A much fresher brazilian NT, copyd the tactic of the italians of crowding the midfield and cutting passing and running lines, and completely killed the spanish off.
The brazilian Coach later admitted, he copy'd his tactic entirely on what italy had proven the world. Sure, it wasent the same formation, but the way Marcelo and Hulk were positionning, it actually was pretty much a 3-5-2.
So yeah, the azzurri has proven quite alot. They showed the world how to kill spain, but lacked the raw talent for it. Brazil has the talent, took the lesson, and did it.
Between 2007 and 2012, every national team that faced spain, had their asses handed back to them, beeing violently raped. Their new style blazed away any opponent it faced, with ease. Apart from 1.
Euro 2008
after 2006, the azzurri had a creative and finishing problem.The defence and organisation were still good. They had difficulties in the groupstage, but when they entered the knockout, they did what they do best of any team : lock down the opponent.
For the entire game, italy played a defensive zonal pressure game, with quick counters over the wing. This very effectively countered the creative issues they had, and made most of their massive defence, and pacy counters
A young chiellini, guided by panucci, and gattuso had massive games. Grosso in his typical excellent NT games and zambro, completely locked spain down. During the game, italy had the better chances and when camo came on, he missed the best chance of the game.
Spain ? they raped each team, and were very lucky to go trough undeserved against italy on penaltys. then they continued to rape everything, and won the euroz.
WC 2010
Horribly italy there, the end of a generation. cannavaro, gattuso, zambrotta, all rubbish, no creative players, no strikers. not in the game.
This marked a very precious point in history. The end of excellent italian defender, as the last two, cannavaro and zambrotta were past it, and nesta had quit internationally allready.
Spain on the other hand, started with a loss, and easely domminated every other team to grab the cup. again, nothing do do against spain
euro 2012
Comming of the massive juventus unbeated scudetto, came a new italy based on a juventus core.
This juventus core, had been playing a 3man backline, with wingbacks. reason beeing quite simply that there werent great italian defenders in 1v1 situations anymore, so this was adopted by conte instead.
Prandelli adopted conte's formation, blessed with juventus players. For the first time in 4 years, suddenly a team actually put up a fight with spain. in fact spain was lucky to grab a draw at the end.
Against england and germany, due to the lack of a powerfull cdm, a 4-4-2 was used instead to offset their formations. Whilst the formation looks diffrent on paper, the principle is the same. fullbacks pushing up to crowd the midfield, and force into duals, whilst taking maximum advantage of the high quality italian long balls.
2013
Learning from the mistakes, and now seeing beyond doubt the massive succes of the 3-5-2 formation, the azzurri used the 3-5-2 again in the confederations cup. despite playing pretty bad in the first two games, when they came against spain, once again, they were better, and were very unlucky to go out on penalties.
A much fresher brazilian NT, copyd the tactic of the italians of crowding the midfield and cutting passing and running lines, and completely killed the spanish off.
The brazilian Coach later admitted, he copy'd his tactic entirely on what italy had proven the world. Sure, it wasent the same formation, but the way Marcelo and Hulk were positionning, it actually was pretty much a 3-5-2.
So yeah, the azzurri has proven quite alot. They showed the world how to kill spain, but lacked the raw talent for it. Brazil has the talent, took the lesson, and did it.
An excellent point. Wether we are using llorente or vucinic as the deeper player up front, having tevez running trough the middle and occasionally swerving to the side, to come from behind the enemy defence, adds so much danger.
EVERY danger we created so far, had a tevez movement in it.
Yeah, thats why we need bonucci. I hope ogbonna can improve on that regard, cause having two such ballplayers, would be excellent.
Currently pirlo is the only midfielder who can keep the ball and distribute it, domminating the play. Pogba can do the same, but not as a playmaker. However, 2 of 3 cd's beeing ballplayers + pogba as cm, is good enough to move the playmaker from regista to trequartista if we so desire.
pretty much. this team has alot of improvement in it. Once we get the frontline clicking, having wingbacks spreading the play, and pirlo and possibly pogba switching the play around, creates :
1) alot of widh and movement on the flank
2) alot of space in the middle for tevez and a upcomming midfielders to move in.
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we can get verratti, but with ogbonna bonucci and pogba its not a problem. currently we need pirlo to build up. with those 3, we can move the playmaker up the field
EVERY danger we created so far, had a tevez movement in it.
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playing 3 cbs , if one is a ball player also means it takes pressure off the midfield.
playing 3 cbs , if one is a ball player also means it takes pressure off the midfield.
Currently pirlo is the only midfielder who can keep the ball and distribute it, domminating the play. Pogba can do the same, but not as a playmaker. However, 2 of 3 cd's beeing ballplayers + pogba as cm, is good enough to move the playmaker from regista to trequartista if we so desire.
pretty much. this team has alot of improvement in it. Once we get the frontline clicking, having wingbacks spreading the play, and pirlo and possibly pogba switching the play around, creates :
1) alot of widh and movement on the flank
2) alot of space in the middle for tevez and a upcomming midfielders to move in.
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we can get verratti, but with ogbonna bonucci and pogba its not a problem. currently we need pirlo to build up. with those 3, we can move the playmaker up the field
if we can't get Verratti and Pirlo leaves at the end of the season, I can see a 3-4-1-2 being used the following season, with us playing with a trequartista with 2 hardworking ball winners/box to box players in behind.
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ogbonna - bonucci - chiellini
licht - vidal - pogba - asamoah
good playmaker
tevez - llorente/vucinic
ogbonna - bonucci - chiellini
licht - vidal - pogba - asamoah
good playmaker
tevez - llorente/vucinic
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i'm actually looking forward to that formation
If Juve sold Matri for 12m and flogged off Quags to one of those EPL teams for EU10m, in net terms, we have spent ZERO in transfer fees this summer. If the 5th striker is Boakye, then I suspect the wage bill would be similar to last summer. Yes there are raises for Vidal & possibly Pogba plus relatively high wages for Tevez & Llorente but there is no Iaquinta wage and no Matri & Quags. Iaquinta, Matri & Quags would equate to 6-7m in wages at least. That almost pays for Tevez & Llorente. So no massive impact.
Quite a thrifty transfer campaign. Lots of ammunition presumably for future transfers.
Quite a thrifty transfer campaign. Lots of ammunition presumably for future transfers.
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