Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2012-13) (20 Viewers)

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AOD4

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they are good players but will add mostly depth to Juve and not raise the level of quality. Plus they are largely unproven outside playing for a lesser team in Serie A. Isla can take over from Licht in the 352 in home games and be an improvement but that's about it ... Asamoah will be nothing more than a back-up to Marchisio/Vidal and even then, the team would lose in threat on offense, as he is a dynamic mid but pretty one-dimensional.
Isla may be able to fill in at a number of positions, but that doesn't mean he is great at it.

Overall, they are good players, who are yet to prove themselves at a higher level but you are not exactly getting them on the cheap.

This being said, had Milan signed them, Milan fans would have also been over the moon but then again, that doesn't mean they would be right.
Asamoah can potentially take over Marchi's spot if he keeps on goes missing in games. Plus the 36 million mentioned isn't official.
It could be inclusive of players like Pasquato who has no use to us.
 

acmilan

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So, it looks like Giroud will be going to Arsenal. When you add Podolski we can probably bank on RVP being on the market for real now.
not necessarily - they would lose Arshavin (Podolski would take up his role) and will likely sell that Moroccan dude too ... maybe even include him in the Giroud deal as montpellier will need a striker for the CL.

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Asamoah can potentially take over Marchi's spot if he keeps on goes missing in games. Plus the 36 million mentioned isn't official.
It could be inclusive of players like Pasquato who has no use to us.
once I said on a Milan form that the word "potential" is the most overrated word on football forums, by a mile :)

whether the sum is just cash or includes a player(s) too, doesn't matter that much as letting those players go means missing out on revenue from another deal. And Udinese aren't likely to overvalue any of the contropartite either.

anyways, what I said I am basing on the assumption that Juve have paid 30+ mil for both players, more likely 32-33 mil.
 

Nicholas

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Of course potential is a useless word on Milan forums.

Nobody at that club has any :p

Back on topic. AC is right, they're both shit players and we shouldn't have spent money on them.
 

Deep C

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not necessarily - they would lose Arshavin (Podolski would take up his role) and will likely sell that Moroccan dude too ... maybe even include him in the Giroud deal as montpellier will need a striker for the CL.
Podolski really is a striker - he's shown that much the last couple of seasons. Doubt he'll play an Asharvin role. Chamakh might go (somewhere) but as far as I've heard, Giroud's release clause is super duper low, so it's not like they need to sweeten the deal with Montpellier (who need the money).

That adds up to 3 top forwards in RVP, Podolski and Giroud, with Giroud basically only being able to play Van Persie's spot.
 

acmilan

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no need to - I will just mention a couple of names - Seedorf to Milan, Torres to Chelsea ... that should do it.

I also said what I really think on the Asamoah + Isla deal in other posts, that should clarify my opinion on the matter even if people seem to having a problem not rading a bit too much into it, bar Salvatore (as usual).

anyways, drive safe and stay off the phone when you are in the car :p
 
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no, I am being very serious - they are good players but again, Juve are paying a pretty penny for both and people here letting the enthusiasm of these signings get to them quite easily
Good :D

Isla, for our system, is going to improve the quality of the team once he's returned (back to his best condition, I hope). He fits the wing back role, and he's actually shown a lot of assertion when played there. I think he's got attacking ability which Lichtsteiner does not have, Cáceres is less natural in that role but it's good that he can be used as a CB now, and we'll have more options for cover. Could be a very good international player in his position, seems to be there mentally, and he'll have the right guidance in a stronger team. Asamoah, I think there are some unrealistic predictions from Juve fans on here at least. Will be a fine player, and raise the quality of the squad quite a way. We have a good thing going in midfield, it won't change. Beats bringing on Giaccherini or Padoin as substitutes by a mile. Among the top few in his position though? I doubt.

And forget 36m, I'm hesitant on the price of 30m for the pair. Think it could have gone down more millions just based on one being long term injured, and the other being overvalued a bit IMO.
 

acmilan

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Podolski really is a striker - he's shown that much the last couple of seasons. Doubt he'll play an Asharvin role. Chamakh might go (somewhere) but as far as I've heard, Giroud's release clause is super duper low, so it's not like they need to sweeten the deal with Montpellier (who need the money).

That adds up to 3 top forwards in RVP, Podolski and Giroud, with Giroud basically only being able to play Van Persie's spot.
my point is Chamakh is as good as gone from Arsenal; The Ruski comrade too - two out, two in (Podolski, who is more of a winger really) and Giroud. Plus, Arsenal had no real alternative to RVP this year, so them getting Giroud (and as you said for not that much money anyway) makes perfect sense, considering how pathetic Chamakh has been for them.

All in all, these moves don't have to exactly mean that Arsenal is definitively getting rid of RVP.

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Shhh, I'm just in a bad mood :D
oh, OK :D
 

AOD4

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not necessarily - they would lose Arshavin (Podolski would take up his role) and will likely sell that Moroccan dude too ... maybe even include him in the Giroud deal as montpellier will need a striker for the CL.

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once I said on a Milan form that the word "potential" is the most overrated word on football forums, by a mile :)

whether the sum is just cash or includes a player(s) too, doesn't matter that much as letting those players go means missing out on revenue from another deal. And Udinese aren't likely to overvalue any of the contropartite either.

anyways, what I said I am basing on the assumption that Juve have paid 30+ mil for both players, more likely 32-33 mil.
30 million is a fair deal for two players who have made more than 100 appearances each and they are just 24 years old. Asamoah is quality and he can covers all 3 positions in the midfield 3 , and we already have United who placed in a 12million bid. Obviously, we have to place a higher bid due to that. Considering when clubs like Man Utd and Liverpool paid 20 million alone on players like Henderson and Phil Jones, this transfer fee is definitely not overvalued. Basically it depends on how you see it. Do you think Milan signing Stephan El Shaarawy at 20 mil is overpaid ?
 

acmilan

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30 million is a fair deal for two players who have made more than 100 appearances each and they are just 24 years old. Asamoah is quality and he can covers all 3 positions in the midfield 3 , and we already have United who placed in a 12million bid. Obviously, we have to place a higher bid due to that. Considering when clubs like Man Utd and Liverpool paid 20 million alone on players like Henderson and Phil Jones, this transfer fee is definitely not overvalued. Basically it depends on how you see it.
I would say that the actual amount will turn out to be around 33 or so for both, which I think is a fair, or pretty close to it, market value for them, hype and all other things considered.
That however is not cheap by any means and my point is more on how much value would Juve really be adding to the team for that amount - I don't think Asamoah can burst into the starting 11 w/o making Juve a bit too predictable in midfield (more precisely in attack), i.e he would be basically a depth player for you, imo.
Isla's best role is really a wingback so he can be an improvement over Licht in the 3-5-2 but mostly in home games as Licht provides better defensive cover on the wing.
True that Isla can and has filled in at several other roles but he is not exactly great at it - he's still at his best as a right wing-back and is still a player for whom it remains to be seen how high his ceiling really is.

So, again, two good players for whom Juve isn't grossly overpaying but isn't exactly getting them on the flea market either and who have yet to be really tested at higher levels of football.

Do you think Milan signing Stephan El Shaarawy at 20 mil is overpaid ?
that stuff was too shady with players involved and what not - to know what Milan really paid for SES but if it was indeed 20 mil, and most of it cash, then yes, they did overpay. Here it mostly about the potential, again that word ;), shown by an 18 yo, not a 24 yo, which is why Milan co-owned him first and only then decided to buy him entirely ... but again, about 5 mil more than what I would have valued him. (again, I am not sure what SES really cost Milan, but I am referring to your mention of 20 mil or so)
 

acmilan

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I think he'd be the next Iuliano.
so, you guys ain't getting him then? :D

seriously though, I think Italy and the fans have gone for far too long w/o defenders of the level of Nesta, Canna, Maldini, etc and are now seeing their ghosts left and right, the latest of which is having such high expectations from a guy who, iirc, wasn't even a starter for Cheivo till the last part of the season and had like 15 games for them or something :D (could be wrong on the stats but still the point stays)
 
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