i'm thinking about city's signings but no..in terms of what the new signings meant for us i agree with you
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These are the players from that list who I think could be good for Juventus and are "realistic" buys:
I didn't list Hazard or Neymar because I think one (most likely Hazard) will definitely go to Madrid, and the other will go to whoever can cough up the exorbitant transfer fee .
- XHERDAN SHAQIRI (20, midfielder) FC Basel
- ALVARO PEREIRA (26, left-back) FC Porto
- NICOLAS GAITAN (23, midfielder) Benfica
- MARTIN CACERES (24, full-back) Sevilla
- RICCARDO MONTOLIVO (26, midfielder) Fiorentina
- DEDE (23, centre-back) Vasco da Gama
- LEANDRO DAMIAO (22, forward) Internacional
I didn't list Hazard or Neymar because I think one (most likely Hazard) will definitely go to Madrid, and the other will go to whoever can cough up the exorbitant transfer fee .
All of this has been addressed my man. You're right about the solid base, but you don't get a solid base by buying 23 new players in your first two seasons anywhere, let alone Juventus. 25 after this winter Market will be done. Look at this guy he's all over the place. If the high salaries of Iaq and Amauri were an issue, then Trez shouldn't have been loaned out while we continued to pay his salary at another club and Toni should've never been bought at such a high salary either. See things were in Marrotta's control but he couldn't control them. Tip of the iceberg. Dont want to get into this discussion here, as we've been over this. See the Marrotta thread, and you'll see why. 
people like you should fucking learn 1 great game every 5 games doesnt win you stuff. an above decent game, every game, wins you stuff
getting rid of them wasent easy, loans were needed.
really, i'm baffled how easy you consider marotta's job. perhaps consider why no one was interested in it.
you make it sound like we had all recources, attraction, and knew how players were gonna turn out the next 2 years
well, you dont. and the less idiotic people said that over and over in that same marotta treat you mention
and yes lb and nzoric, i'm getting mad about it
yes salary comes out of culb pocets but this type of deals are made to use as less money as posible
you don't pay the player to the team so you give the player a higher wage and gain something
the player stays until the contract is finished and he gains a plus in his salary too the only one who loses in this contest is the previous team of the player we signed
let's asume that you want to sign nani and normally he would take a salary of 4 milion if you get him at 0 you give him a salary of 7 milion it is easy this also is from company pockets
you actually save money this way in the long run
for example
nani
cost = 30 milion
salarty = 4 milion
contract = 5 years
total = 5*4 + 30 = 50 milion
nani
cost = 0
salary = 7
contract = 5 years
total = 7*5 + 0 = 35 milion
in the long run you save money
as for trezeguet we didn't pay his salary we gave him the buonuscita
that means we gave him a part of his salary to resolve his contract with us and he could sign with every team he wanted
but i guess it was better having him in the tribuna without playing a minute till the end of the season and pay him his full wage
a good dg would have surely done this
and i don't say that a lot of players guarantess succes
i always said marotta has built a base
now in summer he needs to prove that he is juve material by adding those 2-3 signigs of great quality to finish the squad
but if you have no players at all it is better to add quantity than only one good player that cost like an entire squad
in total you can archive better results constructing a team from nothing who can actually archive 3 place without 1 player of absolute quality
than add only one player of very good quality when the rest of the team are at pension age or total flops
i am not saying that i don't like champions who doesn't like them but in this situation it was better
unless that one player is the new maradona that is
if you can find someone like maradona than i would gladly give a kick in the ass to marotta and all his new signings to get you as dg
you don't pay the player to the team so you give the player a higher wage and gain something
the player stays until the contract is finished and he gains a plus in his salary too the only one who loses in this contest is the previous team of the player we signed
let's asume that you want to sign nani and normally he would take a salary of 4 milion if you get him at 0 you give him a salary of 7 milion it is easy this also is from company pockets
you actually save money this way in the long run
for example
nani
cost = 30 milion
salarty = 4 milion
contract = 5 years
total = 5*4 + 30 = 50 milion
nani
cost = 0
salary = 7
contract = 5 years
total = 7*5 + 0 = 35 milion
in the long run you save money
as for trezeguet we didn't pay his salary we gave him the buonuscita
that means we gave him a part of his salary to resolve his contract with us and he could sign with every team he wanted
but i guess it was better having him in the tribuna without playing a minute till the end of the season and pay him his full wage
a good dg would have surely done this
and i don't say that a lot of players guarantess succes
i always said marotta has built a base
now in summer he needs to prove that he is juve material by adding those 2-3 signigs of great quality to finish the squad
but if you have no players at all it is better to add quantity than only one good player that cost like an entire squad
in total you can archive better results constructing a team from nothing who can actually archive 3 place without 1 player of absolute quality
than add only one player of very good quality when the rest of the team are at pension age or total flops
i am not saying that i don't like champions who doesn't like them but in this situation it was better
unless that one player is the new maradona that is
if you can find someone like maradona than i would gladly give a kick in the ass to marotta and all his new signings to get you as dg
conte's only name was giac his only requerts that came
now in the future mercato i am sure will start to ask for certain players
we had initiated the deals for lisch and pirlo before conte arrived
esti elia came as a result that with conte at first we were supposed to play with the 433 but they were brought by marotta
for vidal conte said himself that he didn't know the player and thanked marotta for bringing him
and vucinic also brought and dealed by marotta after he told conte and he aproved
the only player conte brought was giac
i don't want to take any merits from conte in any way he has given a great mentallity to the squad and a we win and we win by playing a good game this is all conte but conte had nothing to do about the mercato we did this summer appart from giac
now in the future mercato i am sure will start to ask for certain players
we had initiated the deals for lisch and pirlo before conte arrived
esti elia came as a result that with conte at first we were supposed to play with the 433 but they were brought by marotta
for vidal conte said himself that he didn't know the player and thanked marotta for bringing him
and vucinic also brought and dealed by marotta after he told conte and he aproved
the only player conte brought was giac
i don't want to take any merits from conte in any way he has given a great mentallity to the squad and a we win and we win by playing a good game this is all conte but conte had nothing to do about the mercato we did this summer appart from giac
Saying it is a fact doesn't actually make it one, just so you know. In that time he has done exactly what I said. Milan actually made stronger all round signings when Moggi was at Juve as they had to step up, but they also had more money than they do now.
I'll also repeat, the pro-Marotta argument doesn't enhance your point or invalidate mine, that works both ways.
I'll also repeat, the pro-Marotta argument doesn't enhance your point or invalidate mine, that works both ways.
Yes. Trezeguet, Camoranesi and Diego must really have been hurting this team much more an Martinez, Bonnucci and Motta did. Surely. Infact, spending 12, 15 and 5m on each of them must have really helped keep our costs down. The only person who needs to fucking learn a thing or two about logic is you. After a season down in seventh place, we did it the Marrotta way. Loans, random players, a shit coach. Where did that get us? Seventh place again. So while your right about winning games, right about now Marrotta had spent more time building a squad that loses than one that wins in his one and a half seasons here. And of course, cutting the wage bill is so important, which is why we have seven fucking strikers on our books as we speak. And don't give me drivel about Amauri! Iaquinta and Toni leaving coz Boriello shouldn't have been anywhere near his herpes medical till these three were sold. Speaking of which Toni was also bought by Marrotta, at a salary that Trezeguet was earning. That much for your old players theory.
Who said thte job was easy? But when one takes up a job he needs to be qualified enough to do it. And please understand the meaning of resources before listing it down because from what you will read and find out through a little more research, Juventus net spends were more than most clubs in the mercato the last season, which would perhaps explain a thing to you about how easy or difficult this job is. And it doesn't take a genius to tell how players will turn out in one or two years. An Aguero, Rossi or Pastore would turn out very differently than a Motta, Pepe or Martinez. Weren't those the names that were promised in the summer? What the fuck happened there? I'll tell you. Marrotta realised he's out of his fucking mind, and depth to be at this position. And fortunately Agnelli reigned in Conte to help the poor man with his short sighted vision for the club that's become a fucking revolving door in his time here. No ideas. No vision. Penny pinching mentality - even that couldn't stop us from being one of Europes top spenders. He and we, would be the same train wreck that we were last year if it wasn't for Conte's vision, beliefs and firm ideas.
Who said thte job was easy? But when one takes up a job he needs to be qualified enough to do it. And please understand the meaning of resources before listing it down because from what you will read and find out through a little more research, Juventus net spends were more than most clubs in the mercato the last season, which would perhaps explain a thing to you about how easy or difficult this job is. And it doesn't take a genius to tell how players will turn out in one or two years. An Aguero, Rossi or Pastore would turn out very differently than a Motta, Pepe or Martinez. Weren't those the names that were promised in the summer? What the fuck happened there? I'll tell you. Marrotta realised he's out of his fucking mind, and depth to be at this position. And fortunately Agnelli reigned in Conte to help the poor man with his short sighted vision for the club that's become a fucking revolving door in his time here. No ideas. No vision. Penny pinching mentality - even that couldn't stop us from being one of Europes top spenders. He and we, would be the same train wreck that we were last year if it wasn't for Conte's vision, beliefs and firm ideas.
i like the first it would be a good singing and is not really expensive
haven't seen much of the second but porto sells at high prices usually so i would stay away from them
don't know the third
caceres would be good if we get him at the right price not at the price that i have seen lately 10 milion
montolivio would be good as a reserve since we will have CL next year and we could even make a profit from him in the future althrough i don't like his personality that much and most likely he will go to milan
haven't seen much of dede but paratici seems to like him so this could become a future deal
damiao is good i have seen him but they are asking very high prices for him althrough in my opinion with 20 milion you could get him
i would like to add a player he is a bit expensive now but i would personally spend even 30 milion for him
sao paolo , lucas moura love this player i am sure that if he comes he would do really good
haven't seen much of the second but porto sells at high prices usually so i would stay away from them
don't know the third
caceres would be good if we get him at the right price not at the price that i have seen lately 10 milion
montolivio would be good as a reserve since we will have CL next year and we could even make a profit from him in the future althrough i don't like his personality that much and most likely he will go to milan
haven't seen much of dede but paratici seems to like him so this could become a future deal
damiao is good i have seen him but they are asking very high prices for him althrough in my opinion with 20 milion you could get him
i would like to add a player he is a bit expensive now but i would personally spend even 30 milion for him
sao paolo , lucas moura love this player i am sure that if he comes he would do really good
i like the first it would be a good singing and is not really expensive
haven't seen much of the second but porto sells at high prices usually so i would stay away from them
don't know the third
caceres would be good if we get him at the right price not at the price that i have seen lately 10 milion
montolivio would be good as a reserve since we will have CL next year and we could even make a profit from him in the future althrough i don't like his personality that much and most likely he will go to milan
haven't seen much of dede but paratici seems to like him so this could become a future deal
damiao is good i have seen him but they are asking very high prices for him althrough in my opinion with 20 milion you could get him
i would like to add a player he is a bit expensive now but i would personally spend even 30 milion for him
sao paolo , lucas moura love this player i am sure that if he comes he would do really good
haven't seen much of the second but porto sells at high prices usually so i would stay away from them
don't know the third
caceres would be good if we get him at the right price not at the price that i have seen lately 10 milion
montolivio would be good as a reserve since we will have CL next year and we could even make a profit from him in the future althrough i don't like his personality that much and most likely he will go to milan
haven't seen much of dede but paratici seems to like him so this could become a future deal
damiao is good i have seen him but they are asking very high prices for him althrough in my opinion with 20 milion you could get him
i would like to add a player he is a bit expensive now but i would personally spend even 30 milion for him
sao paolo , lucas moura love this player i am sure that if he comes he would do really good
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