Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (41 Viewers)

[baggio]

Saying it is a fact doesn't actually make it one, just so you know. In that time he has done exactly what I said. Milan actually made stronger all round signings when Moggi was at Juve as they had to step up, but they also had more money than they do now..

Well, Milan have upped the ante qualitatively speaking in the past two seasons vis a vis their spends. Look at the numbers, compared to ours and tell me Galliani and Marrotta seek comparison. Are you seriously trying to tell me we've got more quality on our books than them just because we've spent so much more?

 

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[baggio]

conte's only name was giac his only requerts that came
now in the future mercato i am sure will start to ask for certain players

we had initiated the deals for lisch and pirlo before conte arrived
esti elia came as a result that with conte at first we were supposed to play with the 433 but they were brought by marotta
for vidal conte said himself that he didn't know the player and thanked marotta for bringing him
and vucinic also brought and dealed by marotta after he told conte and he aproved
the only player conte brought was giac

i don't want to take any merits from conte in any way he has given a great mentallity to the squad and a we win and we win by playing a good game this is all conte but conte had nothing to do about the mercato we did this summer appart from giac

Actually Licht came only after discussions with Conte. Marrotta wanted Inler, Conte wanted Vidal. And you're rig, the deal for Pirlo was done long before Conte was hired. It's true. Conte asked for Giacch. I dunno the story behind Esti and Elia, but this solid base thing you talk about can only happen with continuity. Right now, Marrotta has been the culprit behind chopping and changing a lot of players. It doesn't help build a base, it destroys it. He buys and sells and loans too much for a confident DG aware of the Market dynamics and his own position at the club.

 

[Ahmed]

nothing wrong with a loan deal if its the right player for the team.

 

[baggio]

Nothing wrong at all. But he overdoes it I think. Not necessarily in the club's best interest. Take the Boriello deal for example or the Esti deal. They look great on the outside, but what do you think these guys are thinking? They are unsure of their future at the club. What is Matri thinking, Boriello is here, how is that showing him in anyway e club has faith in him or his ability? No stability for the club in the long term.

 

[Ahmed]

they're professionals, and should know what is expected of them.

if they didn't like the deal then they could simply refuse to join.

 

[Salvatore]

I feel people are overreacting about Matri based on that Udinese game and this Borriello transfer. He's still quite comfortably our starting striker.

 

[baggio]

Seasons are long. A lot can happen during the season. Injuries, drop in form, team crisis, sacked coach. Anything. They can't account for the variables that await them. Point being you've got to have a core set of players at the club and the odd loan is understandable, but you can't have a little less than half a squad on loan. Its not very bright.

 

[JuveJay]

Well, Milan have upped the ante qualitatively speaking in the past two seasons vis a vis their spends. Look at the numbers, compared to ours and tell me Galliani and Marrotta seek comparison. Are you seriously trying to tell me we've got more quality on our books than them just because we've spent so much more?

I never said that, nor is that the point I was making.

 

[Ahmed]

Meela v Juve squads -

 

[JuveJay]

You couldn't resist the Borriello page.

 

[Ahmed]

gotta love all those Italian flags in our section

 

[Zacheryah]

Yes. Trezeguet, Camoranesi and Diego must really have been hurting this team much more an Martinez, Bonnucci and Motta did. Surely. Infact, spending 12, 15 and 5m on each of them must have really helped keep our costs down. The only person who needs to fucking learn a thing or two about logic is you. After a season down in seventh place, we did it the Marrotta way. Loans, random players, a shit coach. Where did that get us? Seventh place again. So while your right about winning games, right about now Marrotta had spent more time building a squad that loses than one that wins in his one and a half seasons here. And of course, cutting the wage bill is so important, which is why we have seven fucking strikers on our books as we speak. And don't give me drivel about Amauri! Iaquinta and Toni leaving coz Boriello shouldn't have been anywhere near his herpes medical till these three were sold. Speaking of which Toni was also bought by Marrotta, at a salary that Trezeguet was earning. That much for your old players theory.





Who said thte job was easy? But when one takes up a job he needs to be qualified enough to do it. And please understand the meaning of resources before listing it down because from what you will read and find out through a little more research, Juventus net spends were more than most clubs in the mercato the last season, which would perhaps explain a thing to you about how easy or difficult this job is. And it doesn't take a genius to tell how players will turn out in one or two years. An Aguero, Rossi or Pastore would turn out very differently than a Motta, Pepe or Martinez. Weren't those the names that were promised in the summer? What the fuck happened there? I'll tell you. Marrotta realised he's out of his fucking mind, and depth to be at this position. And fortunately Agnelli reigned in Conte to help the poor man with his short sighted vision for the club that's become a fucking revolving door in his time here. No ideas. No vision. Penny pinching mentality - even that couldn't stop us from being one of Europes top spenders. He and we, would be the same train wreck that we were last year if it wasn't for Conte's vision, beliefs and firm ideas.

few things to point out

so far, marotta didnt had a higher failure rate then moggi in terms of players

players can fail, at any point, just look at veron back at man utd. or half what madrid buys etc

Marotta provides the player for conte's playing style, he however doesnt make the decision


our best defenders ? licht and barzagli, both totally marotta
midfield : vidal, totally marotta, pirlo ? also marotta
attack ? matri and vucinic, also marotta


you make it sound like marotta is another secco, and conte singlehandedly fixed the world and got us to leading serie a.

i recon you should listen to gerd more often, lots of holes in your thinking

 

[JuveJay]

gotta love all those Italian flags in our section

But look at all those top class Italians in the Milan squad.

 

[LowLife]

I'd Love to see Adam Johnson instead of Pepe. He is fucking good!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Enron]

He's on and off. Really explosive at times though. Hell of a player when he's on.

 

[Gerd]

Actually Licht came only after discussions with Conte. Marrotta wanted Inler, Conte wanted Vidal. And you're rig, the deal for Pirlo was done long before Conte was hired. It's true. Conte asked for Giacch. I dunno the story behind Esti and Elia, but this solid base thing you talk about can only happen with continuity. Right now, Marrotta has been the culprit behind chopping and changing a lot of players. It doesn't help build a base, it destroys it. He buys and sells and loans too much for a confident DG aware of the Market dynamics and his own position at the club.

you're way of
lischt deal was discused with conte but we were dealing with him before conte arrived but he still came conte gave aproval that's normal lischt is not contes doing
if you know contes 424 you will understand that conte doesn't actually like his lb and rb to go and help that much in offense he likes them blocked like chiellini in contes 424 actually it is like you play with 4 cb even lischt has said it himself in an interview at the first games that conte doesn't like him to go up
so you totally off with the lischt deal

and the one who wanted inler were both of them and conte gave aproval , inler also wanted us but udinese had promised him to napoli so thats why he didn't come
and for vidal i have heard conte with my ears saying that he didn't know the player and thanked marotta forbringing him here unless i was drunk when i heard him (and that is kinda posible )

giac was requested by conte
than esti and elia came because conte needed wings considering that in his 424 wings do a lot of work and get tired
when he was at siena the wings were his first substitutions
if conte had decided from the start to play with 433 we wouldn't have got them , probably we would have got a cb he insisted with the 424-442 and we got them , fortunatelly he has been demostrating to be very flexible tactically and we actually went for the 433 and have also used 442 and 352
and some wings now don't find much space they are not very useful

 

[Nicholas]

Shit buys - Marotta

Great buys - Conte

Is this what people are making this argument?

 

[Gerd]

Shit buys - Marotta

Great buys - Conte

Is this what people are making this argument?

it is more actually like

only buy of conte - giac
everything else marotta

 

[Trequartista]

Marotta has been doing ok so far.

My only concern is whether he can sign that big name next summer or not.

 

[Fake Melo]

Marotta has been doing ok so far.

My only concern is whether he can sign that big name next summer or not.

I share the same concern.

As long as he gets Jovetic, he can sign Darth Vader for all I care.