Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (35 Viewers)
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All of this has been addressed my man. You're right about the solid base, but you don't get a solid base by buying 23 new players in your first two seasons anywhere, let alone Juventus. 25 after this winter Market will be done. Look at this guy he's all over the place. If the high salaries of Iaq and Amauri were an issue, then Trez shouldn't have been loaned out while we continued to pay his salary at another club and Toni should've never been bought at such a high salary either. See things were in Marrotta's control but he couldn't control them. Tip of the iceberg. Dont want to get into this discussion here, as we've been over this. See the Marrotta thread, and you'll see why. 
well i don't remember marotta signing 23 players but still you actually need a lot of quality players to be competitive in both CL and serie a you are juve not napoli that enters CL and than loses a lot of points in serie a to be competitive on both you need to have around 16-17 players of quality that not much changes when they change on the field
and that is what marotta has done until now build a base
toni came at 0 when players come at 0 they are always given a high salary that is also one of the reasons montolivio prefered to stay or amauri , to get higher salarys
go look at the salarys galliani has given to all his players that have come at 0
and when did we loan Trez ?
Gerd, a salary also comes out of a club's pockets. It's a very long discussion that me and a lot of others have had in the other thread. Trezeguet was being paid by us while he was at Hercules. Youre right, you need players. But youre mistaken in believing that having a lot of players guarantees success. You need quality players. Something Marrotta doesnt understand. Working for small clubs all his life, he looks for bargains, not quality talent. Also, it is wrong to discuss Galluani' policies vis a vis Marrotta. They are not in the same league. Galliani will rid you off the Boriellos of the world while Marrotta will chase them till his eyes are aligned.
We didn't pay Trezeguet's full wages, and we only did it out of respect.
Marotta doesn't understand quality players? I guess Lichtsteiner, Vidal and Pirlo are mediocre ones. I love how everyone looks at Galliani as the ultimate guru. Have you forgotten his ridiculous transfers? For your information, Galliani bought Borriello for €10 mill + a player.
Marotta doesn't understand quality players? I guess Lichtsteiner, Vidal and Pirlo are mediocre ones. I love how everyone looks at Galliani as the ultimate guru. Have you forgotten his ridiculous transfers? For your information, Galliani bought Borriello for €10 mill + a player.
The difference is that it rains every day though (with Milan teams winning everything and as being marginalized for the exact reasons i mentioned)
The five year project also failed for the exact reasons i said it will.
There is no other forumer making logical claims in greater detail than me.
There is a solid reasoning and argumentation behind everything i say and everyone is invited to ask me in yet even greater detail, why i believe what i said.
History has proven me right so many times, that everyone who tries to defame is making a fool of himself.
I offer arguments, they just throw one liner insults...
Some ppl hate because of jealousy and other just because they dont want someone to remind them where we really are standing now and why we are here and not we where supposed to be.
I dont care about forum popularity, i only want whats best for Juve, so i say them say i see them.
I never provoked anyone personally , but ppl suffer so much for what i m saying, because deep inside they know its the truth, as it has always been and proved again and again.
Even if they missed my long long posts of explaining why, they know what i said and that i was right yet again...
I dont care about the haters, they are just small ppl, in both mind and soul, i dont bother to hate them, i m just sorry for the damage they do at derailing threads and serious discussions...
The five year project also failed for the exact reasons i said it will.
There is no other forumer making logical claims in greater detail than me.
There is a solid reasoning and argumentation behind everything i say and everyone is invited to ask me in yet even greater detail, why i believe what i said.
History has proven me right so many times, that everyone who tries to defame is making a fool of himself.
I offer arguments, they just throw one liner insults...
Some ppl hate because of jealousy and other just because they dont want someone to remind them where we really are standing now and why we are here and not we where supposed to be.
I dont care about forum popularity, i only want whats best for Juve, so i say them say i see them.
I never provoked anyone personally , but ppl suffer so much for what i m saying, because deep inside they know its the truth, as it has always been and proved again and again.
Even if they missed my long long posts of explaining why, they know what i said and that i was right yet again...
I dont care about the haters, they are just small ppl, in both mind and soul, i dont bother to hate them, i m just sorry for the damage they do at derailing threads and serious discussions...
Bro. The respect went out the window when you got rid of Trezeguet to begin with. How can you say paying his salary was respect? Lol. Lichtsteiner, Pirlo, Vidal and Pirlo have equivalents in Motta, Toni, Martinez, Bonnucci, Pepe even. Please lets not get into this. For every player Galliani signs like Boriello, he'll make up for it by getting a Cassano, Robinho and Ibra. Please do not begin this here. I will never understand this defense of Marrotta. To get to guys like Licht and Vidal, he first needed to waste an entire season signing Del Neri and 12 other players. It ws only after Conte came on board, thanks to Agnelli, did we see some sensible moves. An JJ. Sure, Galliani may sign the Boriellos of the world in defines, assuming that's what you think Silva and Nesta to be, but at least he knows quality. Marrotta doesn't. Like it or not 25 years bordering on Serie b and mid table Serie a conditions you very differently than being at a top club.
What top European clubs aren't wasteful in these times? Honestly name some please.
Arsenal and FC Porto are the ONLY ones. So obviously they are the exception to the rule. Look at Man Utd, Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter and AC Milan. All very wasteful yet still top clubs. Look even at lesser clubs and how much they spend and get wrong a lot of the time.
People need to wake up and realize that this isn't 1999 anymore. The football market is incredibly skewed and a lot of the time to get the best payers you either need to A. develop them yourself, B. Take a 50/50 chance on buying a "promising" youngster(most times you have to overspend by far), or C. Spend the money needed to get actual top players which is going to be like 30m per player.
Sure Marotta isn't doing the absolute best job he could ever have possibly done if everything went 100% right but compare his bad deals to our previous DS's bad deals. Hell compare his bad deals to some of the other club's bad deals and you'll see that he's actually doing ok.
Why can't we enjoy that the club is doing well right now? Always some petty, shit slinging going on and those anti-Marotta people constantly looking to discredit his work even though we lead the league are just special.
Tuz needs a sub forum called 2006-2011 so the bitchers and moaners can congregate in one place and keep their negativity and ignorance corralled.
Arsenal and FC Porto are the ONLY ones. So obviously they are the exception to the rule. Look at Man Utd, Chelsea, City, Tottenham, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter and AC Milan. All very wasteful yet still top clubs. Look even at lesser clubs and how much they spend and get wrong a lot of the time.
People need to wake up and realize that this isn't 1999 anymore. The football market is incredibly skewed and a lot of the time to get the best payers you either need to A. develop them yourself, B. Take a 50/50 chance on buying a "promising" youngster(most times you have to overspend by far), or C. Spend the money needed to get actual top players which is going to be like 30m per player.
Sure Marotta isn't doing the absolute best job he could ever have possibly done if everything went 100% right but compare his bad deals to our previous DS's bad deals. Hell compare his bad deals to some of the other club's bad deals and you'll see that he's actually doing ok.
Why can't we enjoy that the club is doing well right now? Always some petty, shit slinging going on and those anti-Marotta people constantly looking to discredit his work even though we lead the league are just special.
Tuz needs a sub forum called 2006-2011 so the bitchers and moaners can congregate in one place and keep their negativity and ignorance corralled.
I'm supposed to reply to this bad trolling?
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