Wishlist and General Juve mercato talk (2011-12) (47 Viewers)

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Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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I was looking at Juve players wages.

Amauri is at 4m eur a year, Toni is at 3m, Iaquinta too is at 3m while Grosso is at 1.5m eur
http://www.calcioblog.it/galleria/b...lla-serie-a-20112012-stilata-dalla-gazzetta/2

That's 11.5m eur (19.8m eur tax included) a year, or 20% of our total wage budget.
Getting rid of these four should free up a lot of space in the budget.

These 4 cost almost 40m eur for 2 years wages. That's like buying a player for 28m eur and paying him 6m eur a year for two years.

If we make the CL, have the new stadium effect in mind and getting rid of these four players (Toni, Grosso and Amauri's contracts end in June while Iaquinta's ends next summer), then I'm pretty sure that Juve will have quite a load of cash available for the mercato. More cash than in any previous season, especially for wages.
But but... they are our champions and FFS they are ITaliens, they play for the NT, the one that has won the Mundial, once upon a time.
Italians, forwards, fancy dribblers, champions.
Thats exactly what we are aiming for, the rest is mere details, this is how far our management can go.
The very definition of their prime choices, performance is irrelevant.
I wonder many of our ultra nationalist fans have bought season tickets, to enjoy the flicks of their native stars.
How many have bought their jerseys, chant in the stands and bought TV packets, only for their copatriots.
How many international stars we have slipped, just because we prefered those national heroes and how many more we will in the future.
Since our club has won very little from their performances and practically nothing from their sales, i wonder what those figures have brought in the table and our board is so freakin desperate to hold them and bring more like them.
Its like they are the only reason we are selling any tickets and like they make us earn more money from them, than some better foreigners with better performances would:andyandbarcelona:

Guys how many players do you think we need to be able to go far in Champions league (semi-final):

Tevez, Jovetic, Giovinco, Hummels, Montolivo

Enough?
Jovetic and Montolivo are a waste of time and resources.
Hardly Juve material, let alone difference makers in the CL
to go far in the CL next season we'd need:

good RB sub
top CB
CB sub
top LB
good LB sub
good CM sub
TOP notch forward.
A trully competitive team would need all of them.
We cant buy and integrate all of them within a season though and buy the time we do, new needs will arise.
So its practically impossible in the near future.
We need to start building a strong basis and end this stupid quantity>quality and Nationality > quality transfer policy.
Unfortunately the current transfer manager was signed and is specialised with the above mentioned transfer plan in mind.
So we should start by replacing him for starters!
And as we have enough second rated players and promising youngsters, loaned or not.
We have enough squad players and should only invest on starters, with 2-3/season, we can have a competitive team in 2 years.
The more we waste time and resources with more mediocre players, like Montolivo, the more we are moving away from that goal...

I think Chi at LB and Bonucci as CB backup is enough, have deducted top LB and CB sub.

we will need RW replacement if Krasic leaves though.
For sort term perspective, it would be enough indeed!
But it is priority number one to sign a starter defender right away!
Bonucci will be good enough vs the many average serie A teams and all that we need for the LB sub, is someone less injury prone than DC and better than Zeglier. Since we brought another cheap/free scnadinavian noone, it seems that we are still unwilling to invest there...
I also believe in Sorensen for a sub RB or sub CB role
So, with the LB, sub RB, sub CB gone out of the picture.
And maybe CM sub (Melo?) and CM sub (Melo as anti-Marchisio, better than Piazenza or Giovinco as anti-Pirlo or even anti-Vucinic/Giaccherini)

Our main priorities that are mandatory and cant be fixed with quick fixes and half measures are:
starter CB and top notch forward.
We have nothing to field out there, those being starters would make an immediate effect and drastic improvement on our performances.
And would recover some of the lost time, of the quantity over quality 5year project.
The CB should be aged around 25 and should be proven beyond doubt, with characteristic that complement the ones will lack.
There is no such option available in Italy IMO and we might have a very hard time, if we dont compromise our Nationalistic instincts, hopefully Bonucci will serve as an example and we have learned smth for this high waste of resources/wild bet.
And the forward, should complement what Quaq, Matri and Vucinic lack the most, aka prolific finishing!
We have enough dribblers and creators, we need to finish those chances, esp if Matri isnt out there.
So we need to bring a new Trezequet, someone who steadily scores +20 goals/season (in the championship alone)
If we get rid if the 4 players Alen mentioned and since DP who also has a bigger salary leaves/retires as expected, we are going to create the perfect opportunity to add a high octane CF this summer. So hopefully we will choose our Dzeko/Rossi right and without any compromises!

Milan's 2003 was luck.
Nedved missing the game at his peak?
Plus, any penalty shoot-out would be like 85% pure luck.
I mean like anyone would think Baggio would miss one.
It was not just luck, neither it is now when they are winning a penalty in each and every game...
There were times that the opener was always a penalty to their favor (esp at the first part of season was Pirlo was the leading goal scorer), Ibra-like post match videos were used to remove our important players, right at the time before the match, Cannavaro like dopping scandals, completely irrelevant with our jersey were popping up right then.
Matches were extended to the 100', or how much extra time Milan needed to score, etc etc

Of course, if they are gifted so many penalties, they are naturally more trained to deal with them.
On the other hand, we consider them as a threat that can ruin our game, because when they actually matter, they rarely were in our favor.

So we were used to afraid of the penalties and they were used to rely upon them...
 

Gian

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Apr 12, 2009
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It opens with a bang on Sunday for Juventus.

According to today's edition of Gazzetta dello Sport, Juventus is now a step away from the purchase of Martin Caceres (24). Sevilla defender would be in Turin during the winter market on loan with a balance of 3,000,000 euros and then be finally redeemed by Juventus in June: the ransom was set at 7 million euros, 10 million total cost. In these figures, the Seville has no problem to let the defender from Uruguay, for this reason, the announcement of the agreement between the two parties should arrive shortly. The last obstacle to a successful negotiation is usually represented by Paris Saint Germain, the former Barcelona interested and ready to put on your plate already ten million in January to rip El Pelado the Old Lady.
Source: TuttoJuve

10 million? seems okay to me.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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to go far in the CL next season we'd need:

good RB sub
top CB
CB sub
top LB
good LB sub
good CM sub
TOP notch forward.
good RB sub = Sorensen
top CB = Barza (if not good enough Sakho, Rami or Hummels)
CB sub = Sorensen & Bonucci (Barzagli)
top LB = Ansaldi/Cissokho/Mathieu/Alba
good LB sub = Chiellini & DC
good CM sub = Montolivo, Pazienza & Marrone (G.Appelt?)
TOP notch forward (RW & or ST) = Tevez/Ribery/Robben/Hulk/Van Persie/Nani/Benzema etc etc.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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Ozil is a typical Trequartista, where would he play in our current formation ?

Or we should play 4-2-3-1 or the 4-3-1-2.

The first formation one of Vidal/Marchisio./Pirlo would be dropped and in the second formation we would drop our wingers.
 

Cheesio

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Jul 11, 2006
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What about him replacing Pirlo? Marchisio-Ozil-Vidal with A LOT of fluidity would be a real deal.

I don't think Ozil is capable of playing in the MF, or playing deep. Without a Pirlo type of player we would have a hard time taking the ball from the defence.

Thinking of it, Ozil was playing as RW/LW back in Bremen when Diego was there, he made a name for himself there until Diego moved to us, he started playing as Trequartista and he was replaced by Aaron Hunt.
 
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