Winter mercato thread 2016-17 (43 Viewers)
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Get Witsel now, Tolisso in summer and watch closely what happens with James.
This would be awesome down the line and I can't see any sellouts like Vidal and Pogba who would want to leave, we could finally have the same starting 11 two years in a row...
Buffon
Lirola - Bonucci - Rugani - Sandro
Tolisso - Pjanić - Marchisio
James
Dybala - Higuain
Lirola - Bonucci - Rugani - Sandro
Tolisso - Pjanić - Marchisio
James
Dybala - Higuain
This would be awesome down the line and I can't see any sellouts like Vidal and Pogba who would want to leave, we could finally have the same starting 11 two years in a row...
This window:
- Get 1 or 2 CM's (Witsel + Gagliardini/Nzonzi).
In the summer window:
- Get Veratti or Rakitic.
- Get Bentacur.
- Sell Asamoah and Hernanes.
- Release Lichs.
- Get De Schiglio or some good RB (I cant think of any...)
- Get the annual freebie.
- Try for James if the oportunity comes.
- Maybe go for a LB/LWB if Evra leaves.
At defence (Giorgio, Barza, Bonu, Benatia, Rugani, Caldara for the future..) we are set. Same in attack (Dybala, Higuain, Mandzu, Pjaca). We need a WC CM, we also need to get rid of Hernanes and Asa (Witsel and Bentacur their replacements) + solid wing backs to rotare with Sandro and Cuadrado/D.Alves.
Also, a big thing we need to change - the injury issue. Change the staff of the training methods or something. These injuries need to stop.
- Get 1 or 2 CM's (Witsel + Gagliardini/Nzonzi).
In the summer window:
- Get Veratti or Rakitic.
- Get Bentacur.
- Sell Asamoah and Hernanes.
- Release Lichs.
- Get De Schiglio or some good RB (I cant think of any...)
- Get the annual freebie.
- Try for James if the oportunity comes.
- Maybe go for a LB/LWB if Evra leaves.
At defence (Giorgio, Barza, Bonu, Benatia, Rugani, Caldara for the future..) we are set. Same in attack (Dybala, Higuain, Mandzu, Pjaca). We need a WC CM, we also need to get rid of Hernanes and Asa (Witsel and Bentacur their replacements) + solid wing backs to rotare with Sandro and Cuadrado/D.Alves.
Also, a big thing we need to change - the injury issue. Change the staff of the training methods or something. These injuries need to stop.
Get Witsel now, Tolisso in summer and watch closely what happens with James.
This would be awesome down the line and I can't see any sellouts like Vidal and Pogba who would want to leave, we could finally have the same starting 11 two years in a row...
Buffon
Lirola - Bonucci - Rugani - Sandro
Tolisso - Pjanić - Marchisio
James
Dybala - Higuain
Lirola - Bonucci - Rugani - Sandro
Tolisso - Pjanić - Marchisio
James
Dybala - Higuain
This would be awesome down the line and I can't see any sellouts like Vidal and Pogba who would want to leave, we could finally have the same starting 11 two years in a row...
We fielded 4cms to compensate pirlos gaping vulnerability
At some point, marchisio, pogba and vidal behind pereyra behind tevez and morata was the best calciopoli juve
Pirlo was a huge discussion pre final. He was THE issue.
If Pogba didnt got injured and kept his form, wed went to the final with the mvpogba behind PTM
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Correct.
We played MPP and vidal behind tevez morata to compensate cause Pogba wasnt in great form after his 2 month injury
At some point, marchisio, pogba and vidal behind pereyra behind tevez and morata was the best calciopoli juve
Pirlo was a huge discussion pre final. He was THE issue.
If Pogba didnt got injured and kept his form, wed went to the final with the mvpogba behind PTM
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Correct.
We played MPP and vidal behind tevez morata to compensate cause Pogba wasnt in great form after his 2 month injury
We played all of them because we had no one better and they were our 4 best MFs.
Pjanić is not Pirlo defensively. That season Pirlo assisted more goals to the opposition than to our players. He was a cone on defense. Pjanić has much better tackling and is nowhere near as slow as last season Juventus' Pirlo.
James also has a very good work ethic, he's not just a one way player. Also we would be much more potent attacking side than that Juve from 2 years ago. As good as he was Vidal was not scaring anyone in transition that season. We played without Pogba for 2 months and Pjanić-James is no weaker than Pirlo-Pereyra on defense and so much better on offense. People forget but we did not defend with that 4-3-1-2 formation. Allegri wanted to pressure, have possession and attack. We had multiple 20-30 passes in a row goal actions that year in CL. Also, full-backs would be better and put more pressure than Licht-Evra ever did. I agree that midfield would be somewhat weaker than the one with Pogba and Vidal, but also much more dangerous the other way. It's a two way street.
There are many reasons why we may never see that 11 on the field together, fit is not one of them.
Pjanić is not Pirlo defensively. That season Pirlo assisted more goals to the opposition than to our players. He was a cone on defense. Pjanić has much better tackling and is nowhere near as slow as last season Juventus' Pirlo.
James also has a very good work ethic, he's not just a one way player. Also we would be much more potent attacking side than that Juve from 2 years ago. As good as he was Vidal was not scaring anyone in transition that season. We played without Pogba for 2 months and Pjanić-James is no weaker than Pirlo-Pereyra on defense and so much better on offense. People forget but we did not defend with that 4-3-1-2 formation. Allegri wanted to pressure, have possession and attack. We had multiple 20-30 passes in a row goal actions that year in CL. Also, full-backs would be better and put more pressure than Licht-Evra ever did. I agree that midfield would be somewhat weaker than the one with Pogba and Vidal, but also much more dangerous the other way. It's a two way street.
There are many reasons why we may never see that 11 on the field together, fit is not one of them.
But Panama isn't close to Albania and I have no idea what does it say.
Translate pls.
Translate pls.
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Also worth noting when Pirlo was more mobile and played with Milan he didn't play at the base of the diamond. he played as one of the two central mfs in the diamond. Pjanic is more mobile and probably is more suited to play in that role rather than at the base. Pjanic shares many characteristics with Pirlo but there are some important ones that differentiate him. He isn't as comfortable while being pressured. Despite Pirlo's complete lack of mobility he was incredibly calm when pressured and would usually pick out a good pass. Pirlo is also better in possession. While Pjanic can supply inteligent balls, he is not as comfortable holding on to the ball. Pirlo once again, despite his lack of mobility could make 1-2 moves that would buy him a second and make the right pass. Pirlo couldn't play in the middle three role due to his lack of mobility, but his elite ability made him perfect at the base. Pjanic lacks that.
Pjanić can't play on the sides as Pogba and Vidal did in Allegri's system. He really requires physical and capable players in both directions. Pjanić would be much more exposed there if he had to help out Sandro/Alves with containing powerful wingers or fullbacks in CL. And if I remember correctly Allegri said during training camp that he sees Pjanić as a regista.
Pirlo was increasingly a liability. Offered not too much actually, and a big risk defensively.
We played VMPog with pereyra behind tevez+morata and it was blisteringly good. The first times Marchisio played that regista role. So great
Then Pogba got injured, and Pirlo came back into the team.
When Pogba returned, there was a big issue. Pogba was in poor form. We needed the creativity of pirlo to compensate, so we dropped pereyra and fielded vidal to compensate the glaring weakness pirlo had became when defending.
When we played Barcelona in the final, Pogba still wasent close to his best form.
the second part of 14/15, is when Marchisio undoubtable became the better pick for regista. And if Pogba never got injured, Pirlo wouldnt have played the final. And we would have had significant better chances to win it.
Alot of people forgot, but in 14/15 we went to the final with past it pirlo, postknee injury vidal without the offensive output, and post injury pogba in decent-at-best form.
Imagine if that team had stayed fit.
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Against Milan, Sturaro pressed the defence and Pjanic was covering the left flank
We played VMPog with pereyra behind tevez+morata and it was blisteringly good. The first times Marchisio played that regista role. So great
Then Pogba got injured, and Pirlo came back into the team.
When Pogba returned, there was a big issue. Pogba was in poor form. We needed the creativity of pirlo to compensate, so we dropped pereyra and fielded vidal to compensate the glaring weakness pirlo had became when defending.
When we played Barcelona in the final, Pogba still wasent close to his best form.
the second part of 14/15, is when Marchisio undoubtable became the better pick for regista. And if Pogba never got injured, Pirlo wouldnt have played the final. And we would have had significant better chances to win it.
Alot of people forgot, but in 14/15 we went to the final with past it pirlo, postknee injury vidal without the offensive output, and post injury pogba in decent-at-best form.
Imagine if that team had stayed fit.
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Against Milan, Sturaro pressed the defence and Pjanic was covering the left flank
If we were to get an offensive AM like James we ould play like this:
Offensively:
From:
4321/4312 (dybala dropping back)
Khedira Marchisio Pjanic
------Dybala----James
-----------Higuain
To:
Pjanic being more inffesively involved and marchisio-khedira being more defensive.
--------Khedira Marchisio
--Dybala-----Pjanic----James
-----------Higuain
Defensively:
From:
Khedira Marchisio Pjanic
------Dybala----James
-----------Higuain
To:
442 defesive (Similar to ancelotti's real madrid with dimaria)
Khedira Marchisio Pjanic James
------Dybala------Higuain-----
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If you remeber the Vidal-Marchisio-Pogba-Pereyra midfield against dortmund we looked incredible. Defensively sound and we won 3-0 against a side that beat real madrid not too long before.
Offensively:
From:
4321/4312 (dybala dropping back)
Khedira Marchisio Pjanic
------Dybala----James
-----------Higuain
To:
Pjanic being more inffesively involved and marchisio-khedira being more defensive.
--------Khedira Marchisio
--Dybala-----Pjanic----James
-----------Higuain
Defensively:
From:
Khedira Marchisio Pjanic
------Dybala----James
-----------Higuain
To:
442 defesive (Similar to ancelotti's real madrid with dimaria)
Khedira Marchisio Pjanic James
------Dybala------Higuain-----
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If you remeber the Vidal-Marchisio-Pogba-Pereyra midfield against dortmund we looked incredible. Defensively sound and we won 3-0 against a side that beat real madrid not too long before.
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