Winter Mercato 2015 (12 Viewers)
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I don't really either. Like The Curr said, it's more a case of the better Italian teams being ass-backwards about giving young players time on the pitch. It seems that Juve, for example, want to leave young players out on loan/co-own for years, regardless of whether they impress or not.
I'd bring Zaza over Llorente any day. Both are currently bench options on a good team, yet Zaza has much lower wages, and has much more room for improvement.
I'd bring Zaza over Llorente any day. Both are currently bench options on a good team, yet Zaza has much lower wages, and has much more room for improvement.
The difference in wages is huge that's why we'd like to replace Llorente with Zaza I guess. Assuming we'd pay Zaza 1.5m net he'd cost us 3m gross. In comparison Llorente costs us 9m per season (gross). If you consider we'd have to pay for Zaza 15m and we could sell Llorente for let's say 8m Zaza is the cheaper option considering Llorente's contract length.
We're not growing fast enough in terms of revenue so I think the management has to look for savings, on wages especially. Llorente isn't really contributing too much this season to the team and it's wise to try get rid of his salary. Same thing goes for Giovinco and Pepe. To some extent I'd even put Pirlo there too.
Overall I think Llorente is not a bad player but he suffers from the coach and in the process - system change. Under Conte we played ball into air much more, now we play with more short passes and require more movement from the players. Zaza is way more mobile, faster and aggressive so he'd suit our game much better. He's far from a dream signing nut we're not growing fast enough to sign the likes of Cavani and Falcao.
I really hope we avoid Zaza. Llorente isnt performing sure but Zaza really doesnt look like having any talent at all.
If we let go of immobile who topped the Serie A scoring charts with an average team for 10 mills then we definitely shouldn't get a player who has showed much less for 15 mill. Atleast with Llorente we know he has the talent and the experience but is just going through bad form. Only a little over half a year ago he was banging in the goals. With Morata we have seen flashes of brilliance with Madrid and his potential merited our interest but with Zaza we know nothing at all.
Its better to alternate between llorente and Morata than Zaza and Morata.
If we let go of immobile who topped the Serie A scoring charts with an average team for 10 mills then we definitely shouldn't get a player who has showed much less for 15 mill. Atleast with Llorente we know he has the talent and the experience but is just going through bad form. Only a little over half a year ago he was banging in the goals. With Morata we have seen flashes of brilliance with Madrid and his potential merited our interest but with Zaza we know nothing at all.
Its better to alternate between llorente and Morata than Zaza and Morata.
The difference in wages is huge that's why we'd like to replace Llorente with Zaza I guess. Assuming we'd pay Zaza 1.5m net he'd cost us 3m gross. In comparison Llorente costs us 9m per season (gross). If you consider we'd have to pay for Zaza 15m and we could sell Llorente for let's say 8m Zaza is the cheaper option considering Llorente's contract length.
We're not growing fast enough in terms of revenue so I think the management has to look for savings, on wages especially. Llorente isn't really contributing too much this season to the team and it's wise to try get rid of his salary. Same thing goes for Giovinco and Pepe. To some extent I'd even put Pirlo there too.
Overall I think Llorente is not a bad player but he suffers from the coach and in the process - system change. Under Conte we played ball into air much more, now we play with more short passes and require more movement from the players. Zaza is way more mobile, faster and aggressive so he'd suit our game much better. He's far from a dream signing nut we're not growing fast enough to sign the likes of Cavani and Falcao.
not sure if srs. zaza has 7 and 1 assist goals in 14 matches this season. that's a goal every 2 matches. i'd rather have zaza who is 23 and can improve and earns 3 million over llorente who earns 9 million and is going downhill fast.
also on the no talent thing. llorente scored 16 in 29 last season. not bad right? well zaza's goal ratio so far means he will beat that come end of the season with his 1 goal per two match ratio. same as llorente last season. not bad for striker with no "talent" who plays for a team that doesnt have pogba, vidal, pirlo and tevez feeding him assists.
also on the no talent thing. llorente scored 16 in 29 last season. not bad right? well zaza's goal ratio so far means he will beat that come end of the season with his 1 goal per two match ratio. same as llorente last season. not bad for striker with no "talent" who plays for a team that doesnt have pogba, vidal, pirlo and tevez feeding him assists.
He scored 16 goals in 2504 minutes thats a goal every 156 minutes (better ratio than zaza) with a good portion of those minutes coming from the bench. He was also employed as a target man during that time with Tevez holding most of the goal scoring duties in attack. If you want to scroll back to his last year starting in Bilbao you'll see the stats of a world class player. Whether his decline is down to form or to allegri not being able to get the best out of him in terms of tactics is another story but the point is that the skills are there and he was getting back to that form last year. If he recovers form that guy would be a beast for us.
Morata has talent and potential that needs some serious polishing but I just can't see Zaza being or getting any better than how Maxi Lopez, Pellisier, Borriello etc. used to be. I couldnt even see that potential in immobile though I think the latter has better instincts than Zaza.
I dont have an argument for why I dont see him having potential. I do have an argument to support sticking with llorente however.
Morata has talent and potential that needs some serious polishing but I just can't see Zaza being or getting any better than how Maxi Lopez, Pellisier, Borriello etc. used to be. I couldnt even see that potential in immobile though I think the latter has better instincts than Zaza.
I dont have an argument for why I dont see him having potential. I do have an argument to support sticking with llorente however.
sorry, dont give two shits about what he did for a midtable club like atheltic. it's easy to shine for a shity club when your the main star. like amauri.
and man, i dont want to look back at the past to determine a player now. we can look at fernando torres time at liverpool and determone that at only age of 30 he can return to his best, but none here would touch torres
and man, i dont want to look back at the past to determine a player now. we can look at fernando torres time at liverpool and determone that at only age of 30 he can return to his best, but none here would touch torres
What makes you think Zaza isnt another Amauri? Amauri at Palermo was arguably even looking better than Zaza.
And torres's decline is a one in a million happening and he never came close to recovering his form. He lost his touch while continuing to be a first team player for years. Llorente's decline was for refusing to sign a new contract which lead him to be benched for a year, it wasnt because of his performances at all. Conte didnt let him start before he thought that he is ready again and as it didnt take long before the old llorente started to show. It is more likely that he is going through a bad run or isnt suitable for the current tactic than it is that he is suffering torres syndrome.
And torres's decline is a one in a million happening and he never came close to recovering his form. He lost his touch while continuing to be a first team player for years. Llorente's decline was for refusing to sign a new contract which lead him to be benched for a year, it wasnt because of his performances at all. Conte didnt let him start before he thought that he is ready again and as it didnt take long before the old llorente started to show. It is more likely that he is going through a bad run or isnt suitable for the current tactic than it is that he is suffering torres syndrome.
Llorente World Class wat?
85 goals in over 250 apps in a team with the attack built around him, in a system that was perfect for him in a league where at times in his duration he was up against truely pathetic defences.
If he's World class then Matri was a sporting great in his first 18 months with us.
85 goals in over 250 apps in a team with the attack built around him, in a system that was perfect for him in a league where at times in his duration he was up against truely pathetic defences.
If he's World class then Matri was a sporting great in his first 18 months with us.
Yeah. This. I just don't get the people saying he was world class at Bilbao. Clearly not. His best season was 29 goals in all competitions. But he played 53 games, and was the focal point of their entire attack. He only scored 17 league goals, the rest were Copa del Rey and Europa League. Was he very good that year? Yes. Was he world class? Not in the slightest, and that was his best year.
i dont know if zaza is going to be another amauri. that's i guess where our scouts come into play. and even then he is going to be a risk just like any signing. i do know that even if he fails, we can sell him seing as he is very young. the same cant be said for llorente and his high wages.
for your last sentence. why should we keep a striker that doesnt suit our tactics? it's like buying a wingback when we dont play with one.
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