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Pirlo's Beard

Junkie Joe Joyce
Oct 2, 2013
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Also the fantasy football/football manager remarks are retarded. You can't suggest dropping 2 vital players, playing a 4-2-3-1 with our current squad and then call people out for being influenced by a game

Pretty sure people suggesting a radical change in our starting XI adopting a system we are about 2 players short on being able to execute successfully are the ones being influenced by a game.
 

PowerNedved

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Mar 21, 2014
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When you're saying sidebacks are you referring to a back 4 as in the fullbacks or 3-5-2 as in wingbacks. I'm just not familiar with that term.
I'm talking about the fullbacks, the 4312 that Pirlo's beard is unable to fullbacks for example against 433, because the back 4 is busy with the 3 strikers and when the fullbacks go forward the diamond (which is the most important part of the 4312) disappears. Cruyff explains this in a utube video

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per google this is a sideback.

As there are centerbacks (the ones who defend the center of the back 4) there are sidebacks (the ones who defend the side of the back 4).
 

Papi-a

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May 9, 2006
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:lol: Way past it?! :howler:

The guy is 26 FFS! I don't really want him here, but Mata isn't that old, and his game has never been about pace.
Did i say he was old?? I say his past HIS Best! Some players peak very early! And the fact that modern football is about pace, wich he clearly lacks!!

Specialy then offensive places you need People who can beat Theis man, Mata can't! He isn't half of the player he was two years ago..

Do Any of you watch man utd games?? The Guy has zero creativity!! Isco and others are way better than him.. He for sure is not Wq!
 

Hist

Founder of Hism
Jan 18, 2009
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Nothing suggests that Mata peaked. His last season in his favourite role he was one if the finest players in the world. The fact that he had problems with mourinho and then joined the worst united in history does not mean that he has already peaked. You make it seem as if he is nani.

What did isco ever do?
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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Fantasy fans are the ones who think its all about line up players regardless of defensive and tactical movements.
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Which is exactly what I am saying. Defensive or tactical formations has very little to do with the initial formation and is at this point far outside the boundaries of this discussion.

A 4-2-3-1 with Llorente up top and Vidal behind him is simply a 4-3-3 with different numbers to please some fans. It's much more sound defensively in that ONE position, but let's not drag te complete balance of the team in here. We can never judge that without actually seeing it.

But I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Any formation with wings can be scratched from the list this season 'though. A 4-men backline is possible but also holds a risk.

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Yes man, cruyff has played with diamond all his life as a player and as a coach and even he recognizes that 4312 is obsolet.
No he doesn't... Not even in this piece.
 

Papi-a

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Nothing suggests that Mata peaked. His last season in his favourite role he was one if the finest players in the world. The fact that he had problems with mourinho and then joined the worst united in history does not mean that he has already peaked. You make it seem as if he is nani.

What did isco ever do?

Seriously, watch him play.. What does he offer? Mata is like Riquelme! He is a fantastic footballer but is missing that extra something. When you play just behind Attackers you need to be able to beat a marker , and he cant! I know he had a good season at Chelsea, but that's two years ago now. If we are to buy Mata all a game must go through him, and he just don't offer enough creativity to be that man!

We have many fantastic footballers, but we are missing the man who sometimes closes his eyes, and take on his marker.
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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"Lichtsteiner non rinnova. Marotta cerca un terzino destro. Nel mirino D. Alves-Abate-Johnson" Tuttosport

Why would we replace our RB with an even older one?
Alves is just one year older and he is ALOT better then Licht offensively. Basically can be a playmaker on the wing back position and dribbles better then most wingers. Issue would be his salary and motivation levels. But if we get him, I would expect he would be as excellent as an older Cafu was for Milan (even if latter is or was more a professional).
 

Robee

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Jun 21, 2011
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Alves is just one year older and he is A LOT better then Licht offensively. Basically can be a playmaker on the wing back position and dribbles better then most wingers. Issue would be his salary and motivation levels. But if we get him, I would expect he would be as excellent as an older Cafu was for Milan (even if latter is or was more a professional).
Yes and a lot worse defensively as well...
 
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