Winter Mercato 2015 (17 Viewers)

[Vialli_92]

Still bitter we didn't even attempt to purchase Isco in the summer, would have been a handy player for us as i thought he was out of favour at Madrid towards the 2nd half of the season. We need to start signing attacking players and stop signing 2nd grade B players to fill the gaps rather than improve out starting 11.

 

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[alexjuventino]

We will get Isco this summer once we give Madrid Vidal

 

[CrimsonianKing]

great news for you guys. how long has it been since Brazil had a striker that isnt complete shit? Luis Fabiano? i think he was the last one that doesent suck

Luis Fabiano

The last one i reckon was Adriano. He had the talent but couldn't cope with the death of his father. Before him, Ronaldo. So yeah, it's been a while.

 

[zizinho]

We will get Isco this summer once we give Madrid Vidal

NO!

 

[Bjerknes]

Buffon

Darmian - Rugani - Chiellini - Marcelo

Sturaro - Verratti - Pogba

Berardi - Tevez - Shaqiri

From a quick scan, it looks like the corporate tax rate is 27.5%, but there is a limit on interest that can be deducted, which is 30% of EBITDA.

So I guess as an illustration (assuming hypothetical numbers)
Assuming:
-50MM EUR in EBITDA
-4x EBITDA in Debt = 400MM EUR
= 5% rate = 20MM in interest =~20/50=40% of EBITDA
30%=15MM, which is 15MM/400MM = 3.75%...so if my maths correct, After-tax cost of debt should be ~[1.25%*1]+[3.75%*(1-27.5%)]= ~4% vs. ~3.65% if there were no limit.

That's my quick understanding, but that was only in 10 mins haha - looks like a rule that is designed to discourage the use of leverage...

I found 31% for Italy. Not much of a difference, but it's interesting to point out that the U.S. has a 40% corporate tax rate.

http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/servi...esources/pages/corporate-tax-rates-table.aspx

But all that can be shielded by using leverage in the US. That sort of sucks for Italian companies that they can't have the benefits of a full shield in place.

 

[frzl]

For Italiens

http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/se...tta:+«Ecco+la+top+ten+dei+giovani+della+Juve»

http://football-italia.net/57687/‘pogba’s-salary-rise-appropriate’
should pretty much be the translation.

 

[Hist]

Its 95x easier to change system and use wingers than it is to replace prime Pirlo as that is impossible. Even if we could, $#@! registas and $#@! relying on deep lying mids to create. Ancient and pathetic

I agree that we should change the system once pirlo is finished but we still have to buy a new cm with world class potential. Vidal is probably leaving too and you cannot play any formation without a solid midfield. Asamoah and marchisio should not be starters and we should at most have one of them starting while the other is on the bench. Pogba, March/asa, New promising CM.

A 4-3-3 would save us buying a CB since we'd have one extra on the bench from our starting trio. We'll need a Licht sub and a starting left back before we can even think about fixing our attack force. We need four wingers, 2 of which are starter material on each side and 2 as good bench options. We are alright in ST.
We'll need a goalie too if buffon retires.

 

[Hust]

I agree that we should change the system once pirlo is finished but we still have to buy a new cm with world class potential. Vidal is probably leaving too and you cannot play any formation without a solid midfield. Asamoah and marchisio should not be starters and we should at most have one of them starting while the other is on the bench. Pogba, March/asa, New promising CM.

A 4-3-3 would save us buying a CB since we'd have one extra on the bench from our starting trio. We'll need a Licht sub and a starting left back before we can even think about fixing our attack force. We need four wingers, 2 of which are starter material on each side and 2 as good bench options. We are alright in ST.
We'll need a goalie too if buffon retires.

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Buffon

Darmian - Rugani - Chiellini - Marcelo

Sturaro - Verratti - Pogba

Berardi - Tevez - Shaqiri

Can't tell if you are serious.

I can't recall if you were on the anti-veratti bandwagon or not

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Marchisio is good enough to lock down the CDM role tbh

Pogba on the left

Asa LB/CM back up

If Vidal is to go, we replace him with whoever. (No point guessing at this point we'd need to see who is available)


We should spend money on Darmian of Torino, he can replace Licht

Starting LB can be Asa or a new one

Then sales + budget can go on 3 new wingers. 2 starters and 1 to rotate in, Coman can cover the left as rotation.

Sell Llorente that leaves Tevez starting at CF with Morata slowly integrating and if all goes well taking Tevez's place in 2 years time.

 

[Nejc]

Fuck Darmian, might as well go for Abate on a free transfer.

 

[Pablo]

Oh damn, I thought he was playing for Everton

lol

 

[Hust]

Marchisio is good enough to lock down the CDM role tbh

Pogba on the left

Asa LB/CM back up

If Vidal is to go, we replace him with whoever. (No point guessing at this point we'd need to see who is available)


We should spend money on Darmian of Torino, he can replace Licht

Starting LB can be Asa or a new one

Then sales + budget can go on 3 new wingers. 2 starters and 1 to rotate in, Coman can cover the left as rotation.

Sell Llorente that leaves Tevez starting at CF with Morata slowly integrating and if all goes well taking Tevez's place in 2 years time.

We haven't seen enough of Coman yet to see if he can realistically cover anyone yet.

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And if we are going to spend so much money on wingers why don't we try and focus on our own players like Berardi & Gabbaidini of Zaza and get a formation that possible incorporates them?

 

[PedroFlu]

To me, ideally, for next year:

Stay put:
- All our main guys Vidal, Pogba, Tevez, Litch (renew), etc.

Players Out:
- Llorente (15M)
- Bonucci (12M - this guy makes us hostages of bloody 352)
- Giovinco (free - the ideal would be to renew his contract only to get some value for him, but he won't accept it, so just let him go, he'll never cut it)
- Storari (free)
- Padoin (free)
- Pepe (free)
- Pirlo (for free to USA - unless he accepts a backup role, which I really doubt he would)
- Marrone (loan)
- Gabbiadini (co own 7.5M)


Players in:
- Zaza (15M)
- Shaqiri (20M)
- Berardi (10M co-own)
- Rugani (6M co-own)
- Good/relatively young CB (12-15M)
- Sturaro (back from loan)
- Leali (back from loan)

Total spent: around 30M

Team 4312

Buffon; Litch, Barzagli, Chiellini, Asamoah; Marchisio, Vidal, Pogba; Tevez; Shaqiri, Morata.

Bench: Leali; Caceres, Rugani, Ogbonna, new CB, Evra; Sturaro, Romulo, Pereyra; Coman, Berardi, Zaza.


This way we get rid of regista-Pirlo dependency; 3 CBs-Bonucci dependency; get a younger squad; develop guys like Leali, Rugani, new CB, Coman, Berardi, Zaza, who will have every possibility of getting in the starting 11, mainly the CBs.

And then I wake up to Bonucci, Pirlo and 352 for more 10 years

 

[PowerNedved]

Llorente is a great striker, he's just not being assisted correctly. The problem with our formation is that our creative player (Pirlo) plays too far from the rival area. If we buy Mata or Everton Ribeiro it will be to bench Pirlo and play 3412, that way the AM will have more chances to put key passes to our forwards.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

We haven't seen enough of Coman yet to see if he can realistically cover anyone yet.

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And if we are going to spend so much money on wingers why don't we try and focus on our own players like Berardi & Gabbaidini of Zaza and get a formation that possible incorporates them?

Berardi is more of a SS than a winger, isn't particularly fast or direct. Gabbiadini... i'd rather not play with wingers than play with that wing pair because they don't possess the qualities we lack.

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Llorente is a great striker, he's just not being assisted correctly. The problem with our formation is that our creative player (Pirlo) plays too far from the rival area. If we buy Mata or Everton Ribeiro it will be to bench Pirlo and play 3412, that way the AM will have more chances to put key passes to our forwards.

Llorente is not great, and if we play in his favourite system or we stick him upfront in a 9-0-1 formation it still doesn't change the fact his passing, hold up play and positioning has been utter shit.

 

[DelPieroJuve]

Llorente has been awful this season. if we can sell him to valencia/sevilla type of team and then build up some money for a good winger it should be good. Any names? i think either Cadevra, Shaqiri,Januzaj?....Cuadrado would a dream though.

 

[Hust]

Llorente is a great striker, he's just not being assisted correctly. The problem with our formation is that our creative player (Pirlo) plays too far from the rival area. If we buy Mata or Everton Ribeiro it will be to bench Pirlo and play 3412, that way the AM will have more chances to put key passes to our forwards.

@Lion

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Llorente has been awful this season. if we can sell him to valencia/sevilla type of team and then build up some money for a good winger it should be good. Any names? i think either Cadevra, Shaqiri,Januzaj?....Cuadrado would a dream though.

 

[DelPieroJuve]

moah; Marchisio, Vidal, Pogba; Tevez; Shaqiri, Morata.

Bench: Leali; Caceres, Rugani, Ogbonna, new CB, Evra; Sturaro, Romulo, Pereyra; Coman, Berardi, Zaza.


This way we get rid of regista-Pirlo dependency; 3 CBs-Bonucci dependency; get a younger squad; develop guys like Leali, Rugani, new CB, Coman, Berardi, Zaza, who will have every possibility of getting in the starting 11, mainly the CBs.

And then I wake up to Bonucci, Pirlo and 352 for more 10 years

I think we should sell Ogbonna. Although he has been fairly decent this season he has only performed suring small matches. Also being left footed really limits him and he is a liability if he plays on the Right. Bonucci has been very decisive this season (also in terms of goals)..

Someone like scar from basel would be a nice prospect. He is 23 and will come on a free.

 

[Hust]

To me, ideally, for next year:

Stay put:
- All our main guys Vidal, Pogba, Tevez, Litch (renew), etc.

Players Out:
- Llorente (15M)
- Bonucci (12M - this guy makes us hostages of bloody 352)
- Giovinco (free - the ideal would be to renew his contract only to get some value for him, but he won't accept it, so just let him go, he'll never cut it)
- Storari (free)
- Padoin (free)
- Pepe (free)
- Pirlo (for free to USA - unless he accepts a backup role, which I really doubt he would)
- Marrone (loan)
- Gabbiadini (co own 7.5M)


Players in:
- Zaza (15M)
- Shaqiri (20M)
- Berardi (10M co-own)
- Rugani (6M co-own)
- Good/relatively young CB (12-15M)
- Sturaro (back from loan)
- Leali (back from loan)

Total spent: around 30M

Team 4312

Buffon; Litch, Barzagli, Chiellini, Asamoah; Marchisio, Vidal, Pogba; Tevez; Shaqiri, Morata.

Bench: Leali; Caceres, Rugani, Ogbonna, new CB, Evra; Sturaro, Romulo, Pereyra; Coman, Berardi, Zaza.


This way we get rid of regista-Pirlo dependency; 3 CBs-Bonucci dependency; get a younger squad; develop guys like Leali, Rugani, new CB, Coman, Berardi, Zaza, who will have every possibility of getting in the starting 11, mainly the CBs.

And then I wake up to Bonucci, Pirlo and 352 for more 10 years

Not bad. We should keep Bonucci, if we sell him we will only get another CB, don't see how he is the reason for our 352 and he isn't that bad either. Why would you keep an injury plagued and older Barzagli but sell Bonucci without bringing a new CB?

:edit: Didn't see your "young CB for 12-15"

fuck. lost my thought

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I like the players you brought in though

 

[DelPieroJuve]

Out:
-Giovinco 7-9m (sign contract and sell)
-Ogbonna 12m
-Isla 10m
-Marrone 8m (not good enough)
-Llorente 15m
-Sorensen 4m
-Pepe,Padoin,etc... Released

In:
-Berardi 8-10m (half)
-Gabbiadini 6-8m (half)
-Pereyra (re-loan)
-Rabiot (free)
-Scar (free)
-Konoplyanka (free)
-Good winger like Shaqiri/Januzaj/Candevra/Gaitan/Shurrle?/Cuadrado?

maybe we could chase a leftback which can be reliable because i won't feel very confortable playing asamoah as Lb as much as i like him at lwb.

What you guys think?