Winter Mercato 2015 (19 Viewers)
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It's based on a lot of things including:
-where our strengths are
-the return we can get for the player
-The player's age
-the current status of the player
-our weaknesses
Our Strengths
We have 3 very complete midfielders in Pogba/Marchisio/Vidal. None are particularly creative, but they are all warriors/workhorses (with Marchisio/Vidal being even more so) with various attributes where each excel. Pogba obviously is the most technical and physically the most superior. Vidal is the best finisher and is an exceptional tackler. Marchisio is the most well rounded, and is probably the most intelligent. You also have Asamoah and Pereyra who can both play similar roles at a high level. Pirlo is the only player who is a differ type of player. He is a creative genius but not particularly good defensively. In terms of our strengths, if you substitute Vidal with Asamoah or Pereyra, our midfield is still exceptional, and still among the best in Europe.
The Return and Age
Pogba would yield the most in terms of the return with Marchisio returning the least. Vidal should return between 40-50 million Euro. While Marchisio is the oldest, he is a Juventino from birth and between Vidal/Marchisio, age is not a large gap. Marchisio would be less likely to welcome a sale. With Pogba, the player's potential is immense. I'd like to see how great he can become.
While Pirlo is the eldest. You're not going to sell him for very much. All you get to save on are his wages.
Current Status
Vidal worries me because of his health. That in combination with his dip in form, and his tendency to play for the national team despite not being 100% is worrisome. It's not like "sell him now" worrisome, but it makes me more willing to sacrifice him over Pogba.
Our weaknesses
We have 0 elite attacking midfielders. Adding a player like Reus or another top notch attacking midfielder adds an element to the squad that we currently do not have. Whether it is Reus, Shaqiri, Oscar, Hamsik or another guy I haven't mentioned, we do not have any players who have that complete attacking ability to create/ make space through dribbling, etc.
If you replace one of our FIVE box-to-box midfielders with one attacking midfielder, it ultimate makes the team more balanced without hurting the team significantly. Quite frankly, you don't need FIVE box-to-box midfielders (Pogba, Marchisio, Asamoah, Vidal, Pereyra) especially when none are creative-types. Monetize one and bring in some some ability in the final third where we are much more limited.
You also get much more tactical versatility. Let's say, hypothetically, you sell Vidal & Llorente, and bring in both Shaqiri and Reus. You can can still play a 3-5-2.
FW: Tevez, Morata
MF: Evra, Asamoah, Marchisio, Pogba, Lichtsteiner
DF: Chiellini, Bonucci, Barzagli
You can also credibly play a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1
4-3-3
FW: Reus, Tevez, Shaqiri
MF: Pogba, Marchisio, Asamoah
DF: Evra, Chiellini, Barzagli, Lichsteiner
4-2-3-1
FW: Tevez or Morata
AM: You could play Shaqiri centrally, and Reus on the left with Asamoah or Pereyra on the right.
DM: 2 of Pogba/Marchisio/Asamoah
Defense: Back four from 4-3-3.
-where our strengths are
-the return we can get for the player
-The player's age
-the current status of the player
-our weaknesses
Our Strengths
We have 3 very complete midfielders in Pogba/Marchisio/Vidal. None are particularly creative, but they are all warriors/workhorses (with Marchisio/Vidal being even more so) with various attributes where each excel. Pogba obviously is the most technical and physically the most superior. Vidal is the best finisher and is an exceptional tackler. Marchisio is the most well rounded, and is probably the most intelligent. You also have Asamoah and Pereyra who can both play similar roles at a high level. Pirlo is the only player who is a differ type of player. He is a creative genius but not particularly good defensively. In terms of our strengths, if you substitute Vidal with Asamoah or Pereyra, our midfield is still exceptional, and still among the best in Europe.
The Return and Age
Pogba would yield the most in terms of the return with Marchisio returning the least. Vidal should return between 40-50 million Euro. While Marchisio is the oldest, he is a Juventino from birth and between Vidal/Marchisio, age is not a large gap. Marchisio would be less likely to welcome a sale. With Pogba, the player's potential is immense. I'd like to see how great he can become.
While Pirlo is the eldest. You're not going to sell him for very much. All you get to save on are his wages.
Current Status
Vidal worries me because of his health. That in combination with his dip in form, and his tendency to play for the national team despite not being 100% is worrisome. It's not like "sell him now" worrisome, but it makes me more willing to sacrifice him over Pogba.
Our weaknesses
We have 0 elite attacking midfielders. Adding a player like Reus or another top notch attacking midfielder adds an element to the squad that we currently do not have. Whether it is Reus, Shaqiri, Oscar, Hamsik or another guy I haven't mentioned, we do not have any players who have that complete attacking ability to create/ make space through dribbling, etc.
If you replace one of our FIVE box-to-box midfielders with one attacking midfielder, it ultimate makes the team more balanced without hurting the team significantly. Quite frankly, you don't need FIVE box-to-box midfielders (Pogba, Marchisio, Asamoah, Vidal, Pereyra) especially when none are creative-types. Monetize one and bring in some some ability in the final third where we are much more limited.
You also get much more tactical versatility. Let's say, hypothetically, you sell Vidal & Llorente, and bring in both Shaqiri and Reus. You can can still play a 3-5-2.
FW: Tevez, Morata
MF: Evra, Asamoah, Marchisio, Pogba, Lichtsteiner
DF: Chiellini, Bonucci, Barzagli
You can also credibly play a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1
4-3-3
FW: Reus, Tevez, Shaqiri
MF: Pogba, Marchisio, Asamoah
DF: Evra, Chiellini, Barzagli, Lichsteiner
4-2-3-1
FW: Tevez or Morata
AM: You could play Shaqiri centrally, and Reus on the left with Asamoah or Pereyra on the right.
DM: 2 of Pogba/Marchisio/Asamoah
Defense: Back four from 4-3-3.
Honestly, we're growing our income each year, and with the sale of a player, we definitely could afford to allocate a larger wage to one attacking midfielder. Assuming you sell Vidal, save from his wages (5M net), and also dump Llorente and his inflated wages (he makes 4.5M net), you could definitely afford Reus. Shaqiri makes pennies comparatively. Between the two (9.5M), you could probably give Reus 6.0M net and Reus 3.5M net and they'd both get significant raises.
That's a concern, but with an attractive wage package, Juventus are still an extremely prestigious club.
and why would reus come to juve 
it doesnt make any sense
it doesnt make any sense
I wouldn't suggest selling unless you were getting a replacement who was world class in their position. If you're selling Vidal and replacing with Cerci and Insigne then no thank you. But if you can generate funds through the sale of Vidal and line up a world class attacking midfielder I think you do it. I would just sell Vidal just to sign any old attacking MF, that would definitely hurt the team. It would need to be an elite player who added a unique element in the final third.
I was just using Reus as an example, my main point was that if you can sacrifice from a position of strength to help a position of weakness you do it.
I would swap Vidal for any of the following to give an example: Marco Reus, Eden Hazard, James Rodriguez, Mario Gotze, David Silva. There may be others, but there are none that I can recall right now. Reus is the one that stands out as affordable and attainable in relative terms. The others would be challenging even if the Agnelli's decided to sell to Jack Ma.
The only other thing I'd be tempted by is a deal where you bring in like 2-3 players with world class potential but are a couple years away. Draxler/Depay/Eriksen/Verratti/Shaqiri.
I was just using Reus as an example, my main point was that if you can sacrifice from a position of strength to help a position of weakness you do it.
I would swap Vidal for any of the following to give an example: Marco Reus, Eden Hazard, James Rodriguez, Mario Gotze, David Silva. There may be others, but there are none that I can recall right now. Reus is the one that stands out as affordable and attainable in relative terms. The others would be challenging even if the Agnelli's decided to sell to Jack Ma.
The only other thing I'd be tempted by is a deal where you bring in like 2-3 players with world class potential but are a couple years away. Draxler/Depay/Eriksen/Verratti/Shaqiri.
Honestly, things in Serie A will improve. Berlusconi and Tevecchio will go away (ie: they're old as ****). There will be a hungry, pissed off generation (this isn't limited to Soccer) that will look to replace that old generation that ran everything. You'll start to see reforms, and finally, eventually the economies in Europe will bounce back (which will ultimately hurt the Germany economy because the Euro will appreciate. The German currency will become less 'cheap' (ie: Euro will appreciate and be more in-line with the German economy, hurting its export advantage...double whammy) and countries like Italy will see their currency becoming less 'expensive' because their economic improvement as a whole will move more than the appreciation in the Euro.
Serie A will have more money and, earnings will rebound. We're at a trough here. Things won't get worse - Italy is a massive economy. It'll take time, but despite the crappy situation Italy is in, Juve is still a massive club, and Serie A is still better than the Bundesliga (at least in my humble opinion). And also, Spain is in much worse shape than Italy. If Barca/Real Madrid can thrive we can, because lord knows the rest of that country is up ****'s creek. You might also have a Catalan separation vote in a few months.
Serie A will have more money and, earnings will rebound. We're at a trough here. Things won't get worse - Italy is a massive economy. It'll take time, but despite the crappy situation Italy is in, Juve is still a massive club, and Serie A is still better than the Bundesliga (at least in my humble opinion). And also, Spain is in much worse shape than Italy. If Barca/Real Madrid can thrive we can, because lord knows the rest of that country is up ****'s creek. You might also have a Catalan separation vote in a few months.
I recommend you guys see Sassuolo games, against Lazio Berardi played falsed nine and scored twice. He will be our "different" player the next season.
Also people think that Tevez is good enough to play alone in attack but that is because of Llorente's sacrifice work. If we really want to keep Tevez for a few more years and use a system to replace Pirlo, I think 3421 is the answer.
-we would keep our defence which is one of the best in europe.
-Lichsteiner and Asamoah would still be playing as WB which IMO suits them best.
-we could choose from Pogba, Marchisio, Vidal and Sturaro for the two CM positions.
-we would attack with 3 strikers and particulary Tevez wouldn't have so many defensive responsabilities so he could still play until around 34.
Also people think that Tevez is good enough to play alone in attack but that is because of Llorente's sacrifice work. If we really want to keep Tevez for a few more years and use a system to replace Pirlo, I think 3421 is the answer.
-we would keep our defence which is one of the best in europe.
-Lichsteiner and Asamoah would still be playing as WB which IMO suits them best.
-we could choose from Pogba, Marchisio, Vidal and Sturaro for the two CM positions.
-we would attack with 3 strikers and particulary Tevez wouldn't have so many defensive responsabilities so he could still play until around 34.
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i remember him being excellent at the U20 WC last year. has anyone followed him since? how was his progress over the last season?
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