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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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the funny part is on other forums they love marotta and juventus. on other forums they are jelous of the business juventus does.

commentators love juve and the team it has created. yet when i come here i feel like juventus is struggling in relegation zone
 

Kasaki

Moggi's Assistant
Jun 1, 2010
13,750
the funny part is on other forums they love marotta and juventus. on other forums they are jelous of the business juventus does.

commentators love juve and the team it has created. yet when i come here i feel like juventus is struggling in relegation zone
And damn right it should, we should always want more
 

LiquidPLP

Senior Member
Jun 9, 2012
12,237
We needs this:

and this

His vision on through balls is ridiculous.

Some of this too:
Yeah those two are good examples along with Coman that we have talented kids in our hands, but what's the point of getting them when there's no desire to give them a chance? I don't care what others say but IMO Coman deserved to play more than he did up until now. Watch us getting Sneijder so Coman's and Berardi's situation would be worse. As for Sturaro we should consider getting him back as rotation player for midfield while Marchisio would take Pirlo's spot. If Pirlo goes there will be some room for the kid but will Allegri have balls to play him?

People criticizing Marotta and Allegri for wanting a 30 year old Sneijder, yet demanding a new contract for 30 year old Lichtsteiner. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.
Licht is still playing at the highest level you could say while Sneijder is pretty much on vacations for two years now.

I still can't believe we lost Shaqiri to Inter.
I'm a known fan of Shaqiri here and I don't like the fact we missed out on him but I wouldn't exaggerate. Yes he'd be useful but there's a big possibility the management put their money on Berardi who's a quite similar player. He won't cost peanuts so I could understand it.

While I can accept losing out on Shaqiri I can't take the wasteful attitude of management who want to actually go for Sneijder. Transfer fee might not be too big but salary will be a pretty big one and I think that's a waste of money.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
the funny part is on other forums they love marotta and juventus. on other forums they are jelous of the business juventus does.

commentators love juve and the team it has created. yet when i come here i feel like juventus is struggling in relegation zone
Some members know better than all of them even.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,514
Overhyped or not, having both him and Podolski here would have been great for us.
I don't see where we would play Podolski, while Shaqiri could have been useful addition.

It's not so much that shaqiri is overhyped because I think he is too, I think it's more to do with the fact we have paid similar amounts or more for players this season who are perhaps lesser in quality and failed to deliver so far but if the numbers are around 15 mill for shaqiri that is a very fair price in todays market
I agree that the price is fair, but as I said his price during summer was 30 mil, so double the amount Inter is paying. Also this cut price Inter got is all thanks to Shaq who chose them instead of Liverpool who were offering 20mil (aka. Krasic situation).

Also in the meantime I think that Allegri realized he needs pure AM and that's why we stopped negotiations with Shaqiri.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,393
the funny part is on other forums they love marotta and juventus. on other forums they are jelous of the business juventus does.

commentators love juve and the team it created. yet when i come here i feel like juventus is struggling in relegation zone
Do you know what's funny? Some commentator on Swedish TV that I highly respect has repeatedly said that this season Juventus play better football than with Conte but how come we drop more points and score less goals?
The worrying thing is that the same commentator says that he cannot see and is somehow skeptical about the future of Juventus with Allegri, how it will evolve and the way they are operating in the market.

Going back to other forums and fans of other teams, well it is obvious they should envy looking at our team today and how it was built and how it plays (forget these series of bad matches for a moment)...then look at how we have been playing recently together with what we bought the past two transfer windows and what we are looking at this transfer window. The pattern shows that we are heading in the right direction, Marotta had some flow and got lucky but for how long can this same approach of penny pinching, low budget targetting and old players reviving work out? Will every deteriorating Pirlo out there refresh his best once he arrives at Juve? Will every Leverkusen-Vidal turn out to be a Juventus-Vidal?
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,850
Such is the nature of football JCK.

Dortmund was even holier than The Great Man. Somehow they found all these stars and this savior of a coach. Now they are in the relegation zone and they buy the likes of Immobile after letting Lewandowski go for $0.

Every team makes mistakes. The best teams are the ones with money to simply overcome them.

Then there is Atletico Madrid who is basically perfect based on their limited capabilities.

But even they bought Cerci.
 

JCK

Biased
JCK
May 11, 2004
125,393
Such is the nature of football JCK.

Dortmund was even holier than The Great Man. Somehow they found all these stars and this savior of a coach. Now they are in the relegation zone and they buy the likes of Immobile after letting Lewandowski go for $0.

Every team makes mistakes. The best teams are the ones with money to simply overcome them.

Then there is Atletico Madrid who is basically perfect based on their limited capabilities.

But even they bought Cerci.
Mistakes are bound to happen but when the overall plan looks like a big mistake then there is something more worrying, the core of it is wrong. Marotta's strategy worked for a couple of transfer windows but it is obvious that nothing of the sort has worked in the recent ones.

Our team lacks pace, I have not seen any single pacey player as a target
Our team lacks width, I have not seen any single player that fits to play wide as target.
Our team complains about budget yet other teams buy these same players for sums we can afford.
Our team complains about budget yet spends silly amounts on players that do not question our weaknesses. Two previous transfer windows and a current running one and we are not working on improving the quality of the team.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
Moderator
Oct 11, 2005
75,665
Such is the nature of football JCK.

Dortmund was even holier than The Great Man. Somehow they found all these stars and this savior of a coach. Now they are in the relegation zone and they buy the likes of Immobile after letting Lewandowski go for $0.

Every team makes mistakes. The best teams are the ones with money to simply overcome them.

Then there is Atletico Madrid who is basically perfect based on their limited capabilities.

But even they bought Cerci.
And traded him for Torres.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,823
I don't see where we would play Podolski, while Shaqiri could have been useful addition.



I agree that the price is fair, but as I said his price during summer was 30 mil, so double the amount Inter is paying. Also this cut price Inter got is all thanks to Shaq who chose them instead of Liverpool who were offering 20mil (aka. Krasic situation).

Also in the meantime I think that Allegri realized he needs pure AM and that's why we stopped negotiations with Shaqiri.
Change formation to a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,850
Mistakes are bound to happen but when the overall plan looks like a big mistake then there is something more worrying, the core of it is wrong. Marotta's strategy worked for a couple of transfer windows but it is obvious that nothing of the sort has worked in the recent ones.

Our team lacks pace, I have not seen any single pacey player as a target
Our team lacks width, I have not seen any single player that fits to play wide as target.
Our team complains about budget yet other teams buy these same players for sums we can afford.
Our team complains about budget yet spends silly amounts on players that do not question our weaknesses. Two previous transfer windows and a current running one and we are not working on improving the quality of the team.
I will tell you that I don't like this philosophy to keep applying band-aids just to win the Scudetto. I think that's our biggest flaw right now. There has to be a better way to transition to a more modern team to compete in the CL while still winning the Scudetto.

To me it's clear that our main objective is to win Italy for an eternity and hope to find low risk, cheap young players that grow into stars (Berardi, Rugani, Leali, Sturaro, Coman, etc.) in the meantime. And our board will favour domestic players like Pereyra who have small wages and are more known quantities even if they don't have huge potential. They know they will fit in the team, work hard, blah blah blah.

Our board is a bit too risk averse for my liking but there are times when it works (ie. Iturbe). If we had signed Iturbe and sacrificed everything else in this mercato and the next one we'd likely be out of 1st place right now and have less money for the summer (if that's even possible). That's how I see the board's motivation. I'm sure if we told Berardi that he'd feature for us all year, he'd be in the team right now. But we won't risk 1st place in Italy to develop Berardi. We want someone else to do that for us while we keep winning Scudetti.

To be honest, I don't know how good of a strategy that is. I guess we'll find out.

Of course, the easy answer is to splash on established players. Of course I'm in favour of that as well but there are serious risks there. We could have sacrificed years of our budget for Falcao. Not sure we'd be that much better off with the way he's looking right now.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
69,032
I don't see where we would play Podolski, while Shaqiri could have been useful addition.



I agree that the price is fair, but as I said his price during summer was 30 mil, so double the amount Inter is paying. Also this cut price Inter got is all thanks to Shaq who chose them instead of Liverpool who were offering 20mil (aka. Krasic situation).

Also in the meantime I think that Allegri realized he needs pure AM and that's why we stopped negotiations with Shaqiri.
I'm sure the board must have known Allegri was going to change the formation from a 3-5-2 to his favoured 4-3-1-2 at some point that said really the board should have realised that a trequartista should have been a priority rather than spending big chunks of our budget on 2 very expensive and underwhelming bench players

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Is there really something on Jojo ? Or that just british papers bullshit ?

Anyway

Tevez-Jojo
Sneijder

:tuttosport::tuttosport::tuttosport::ID::ID::ID: ( it`s my firs time here :touched: )
its more adding one thing to the other and making assumptions, though I do think one of Dzeko or Jovetic will be gone in the summer especially with Bony on his way to city as they need to balance the books. That said either one of them won't be cheap, probably around the 20+ mill mark
 

Hydde

Minimiliano Tristelli
Mar 6, 2003
38,990
I will tell you that I don't like this philosophy to keep applying band-aids just to win the Scudetto. I think that's our biggest flaw right now. There has to be a better way to transition to a more modern team to compete in the CL while still winning the Scudetto.

To me it's clear that our main objective is to win Italy for an eternity and hope to find low risk, cheap young players that grow into stars (Berardi, Rugani, Leali, Sturaro, Coman, etc.) in the meantime. And our board will favour domestic players like Pereyra who have small wages and are more known quantities even if they don't have huge potential. They know they will fit in the team, work hard, blah blah blah.

Our board is a bit too risk averse for my liking but there are times when it works (ie. Iturbe). If we had signed Iturbe and sacrificed everything else in this mercato and the next one we'd likely be out of 1st place right now and have less money for the summer (if that's even possible). That's how I see the board's motivation. I'm sure if we told Berardi that he'd feature for us all year, he'd be in the team right now. But we won't risk 1st place in Italy to develop Berardi. We want someone else to do that for us while we keep winning Scudetti.

To be honest, I don't know how good of a strategy that is. I guess we'll find out.

Of course, the easy answer is to splash on established players. Of course I'm in favour of that as well but there are serious risks there. We could have sacrificed years of our budget for Falcao. Not sure we'd be that much better off with the way he's looking right now.
I think they dont mind not doing super good in the CL, as long as they keep momentum in Italy and winning always.
Maybe they are waiting for the young guns to develop while we keep winnign in italy and doing ok in the CL?. Doing that until some absurds deals come in and we are able to play the Berardi´s and Comans and buying the James´s and the Falcaos?.

Maybe they have a plan to do that in 2 or 3 years?..but for now they are just going with the wind and maintaining slow but steady pace until they can be choosers?.

Thats what i feel. Obvs im desperate too...but thats the only explanation as to why we are being in slowmo as of late.

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I'm sure the board must have known Allegri was going to change the formation from a 3-5-2 to his favoured 4-3-1-2 at some point that said really the board should have realised that a trequartista should have been a priority rather than spending big chunks of our budget on 2 very expensive and underwhelming bench players

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its more adding one thing to the other and making assumptions, though I do think one of Dzeko or Jovetic will be gone in the summer especially with Bony on his way to city as they need to balance the books. That said either one of them won't be cheap, probably around the 20+ mill mark
We can spend that money wisely in a replacement of Pirlo...and Verrati fits perfectly that bil...for a 4312 or a 433. He would fit like a glove here.
 

MikeM

Footballing Hipster celebrating 4th place with Tuz
Sep 21, 2008
12,850
I think they dont mind not doing super good in the CL, as long as they keep momentum in Italy and winning always.
Maybe they are waiting for the young guns to develop while we keep winnign in italy and doing ok in the CL?. Doing that until some absurds deals come in and we are able to play the Berardi´s and Comans and buying the James´s and the Falcaos?.

Maybe they have a plan to do that in 2 or 3 years?..but for now they are just going with the wind and maintaining slow but steady pace until they can be choosers?.

Thats what i feel. Obvs im desperate too...but thats the only explanation as to why we are being in slowmo as of late.
Well that's exactly what it is in my eyes.
 
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