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Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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He better have released the passcode for his "Thermonuclear files."
obviously this guy is not working alone.

i think he may be even just a small player in a much larger group. kind of like a face of the group(s)

not saying he has not had a major role in the whole thing though. but there are more people invloved in this who are keeping low profile
 
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Bjerknes

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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    I thought that was about the site going down, he's just a mascot.
    I thought he was the only one who knew the password to the emergency files.

    I'm sure someone else has it by now.

    Lets see if this stuff is for real or simply a nothingburger.
     

    Martin

    Senior Member
    Dec 31, 2000
    56,913
    I thought he was the only one who knew the password to the emergency files.

    I'm sure someone else has it by now.

    Lets see if this stuff is for real or simply a nothingburger.
    I somehow doubt that, I'm sure there are more people who know it, it would be stupid to have a single point of failure, Assange knows better than that, he used to be a coder.
     

    Martin

    Senior Member
    Dec 31, 2000
    56,913
    Did I say that Martin? USE YOUR HEAD CODER!
    How could he have broken US law when he wasn't in the US? You are breaking Chinese law right now, does that mean you should immediately be shipped to China and locked up? The whole premise is rotten.
     

    Dostoevsky

    Tzu
    Administrator
    May 27, 2007
    88,443
    He's a hero and hopefully they release him because that's some bullshit they placed on his head. Anyhow, news will continue to pop up, not much of a use they have. The damage has been done already.
     
    Apr 12, 2004
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    How could he have broken US law when he wasn't in the US? You are breaking Chinese law right now, does that mean you should immediately be shipped to China and locked up? The whole premise is rotten.
    Word.

    I just saw 30 people breaking the law in the Middle East, they were speaking against the government openly, weren't Muslims, were wearing shoes, and didn't have paper towels on their faces.
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    WikiLeaks cables: Saudi princes throw parties boasting drink, drugs and sex

    In what may prove a particularly incendiary cable, US diplomats describe a world of sex, drugs and rock'n'roll behind the official pieties of Saudi Arabian royalty.

    Jeddah consulate officials described an underground Halloween party, thrown last year by a member of the royal family, which broke all the country's Islamic taboos. Liquor and prostitutes were present in abundance, according to leaked dispatches, behind the heavily-guarded villa gates.

    The party was thrown by a wealthy prince from the large Al-Thunayan family. The diplomats said his identity should be kept secret. A US energy drinks company also put up some of the finance.

    "Alcohol, though strictly prohibited by Saudi law and custom, was plentiful at the party's well-stocked bar. The hired Filipino bartenders served a cocktail punch using sadiqi, a locally-made moonshine," the cable said. "It was also learned through word-of-mouth that a number of the guests were in fact 'working girls', not uncommon for such parties."

    The dispatch from the US partygoers, signed off by the consul in Jeddah, Martin Quinn, added: "Though not witnessed directly at this event, cocaine and hashish use is common in these social circles."

    The underground party scene is "thriving and throbbing" in Saudi Arabia thanks to the protection of Saudi royalty, the dispatch said. But it is only available behind closed doors and for the very rich.

    More than 150 Saudi men and women, most in their 20s and 30s, were at the party. The patronage of royalty meant the feared religious police kept a distance. Admission was controlled through a strict guest list. "The scene resembled a nightclub anywhere outside the kingdom: plentiful alcohol, young couples dancing, a DJ at the turntables and everyone in costume."

    The dispatch said the bar featured a top shelf of well-known brands of liquor, the original contents reportedly replaced with sadiqi. On the black market, they reported, a bottle of Smirnoff vodka can cost 1,500 riyals (£250) compared with 100 riyals (£16) for the locally-made vodka.

    In a venture into Saudi sociology, the diplomats explained why they thought their host was so attached to Nigerian bodyguards, some of whom were working on the door. "Most of the prince's security forces were young Nigerian men. It is common practice for Saudi princes to grow up with hired bodyguards from Nigeria or other African nations who are of similar age and who remain with the prince well into adulthood. The lifetime spent together creates an intense bond of loyalty"

    The cable claimed it was easy for would-be partygoers to find a patron out of more than 10,000 princes in the kingdom. Some are "royal highnesses" with direct descent from King Abdul Aziz, while others are "highnesses" from less direct branches.

    One young Saudi told the diplomat that big parties were a recent trend. Even a few years ago, he said, the only weekend activity was "dating" among small groups who met inside the homes of the rich. Some of the more opulent houses in Jeddah feature basement bars, discos and clubs. One high-society Saudi said: "The increased conservatism of our society over these past years has only moved social interaction to the inside of people's homes."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-cables-saudi-princes-parties
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    WikiLeaks cables: Jihad? Sorry, I don't want to miss Desperate Housewives


    Satellite broadcasts of the US TV shows Desperate Housewives and Late Show With David Letterman are doing more to persuade Saudi youth to reject violent jihad than hundreds of millions of dollars of US government propaganda, informants have told the American embassy in Jeddah.

    Broadcast uncensored and with Arabic subtitles alongside sitcoms such as Friends on Saudi Arabia's MBC 4 channel, the shows are being allowed as part of the kingdom's "war of ideas" against extremist elements. According to a secret cable titled "David Letterman: Agent of Influence", they have been proving more effective than Washington's main propaganda tool, the US-funded al-Hurra TV news channel.

    Al-Hurra has shown lengthy interviews with US politicians, including George Bush, but has run into problems with locally hired journalists. On one occasion it broadcast a call to arms against Israel by Hezbollah, which was not the plan when the channel was launched across the Middle East in 2004 after the Iraq invasion.

    Diplomats said they believed the allure of actors such as Eva Longoria, Jennifer Aniston and David Schwimmer meant commercial TV had a far greater impact than al-Hurra which, according to one report, has cost US taxpayers up to $500m (£316m).

    "It's still all about the war of ideas here, and the American programming on MBC and Rotana [a channel part-owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation] is winning over ordinary Saudis in a way that al-Hurra and other US propaganda never could," two Saudi media executives told a US official in a meeting at a Jeddah branch of Starbucks. "Saudis are now very interested in the outside world and everybody wants to study in the US if they can. They are fascinated by US culture in a way they never were before," the May 2009 cable says.

    The popularity of the channels is particularly surprising given Rotana broadcasts Fox News, the rightwing News Corp channel that takes a hard line against Islamic radicalism and has strongly supported US military intervention in the Middle East.

    A senior al-Arabiya news channel director said US programming on MBC 4 and MBC 5 had become the most popular in Saudi Arabia and "told us that this programming is also very popular in remote, conservative corners of the country, where he said 'you no longer see Bedouins, but kids in western dress' who are now interested in the outside world".

    The diplomats told Washington that certain themes in American movies seemed to appeal to the Saudi audience: heroic honesty in the face of corruption (George Clooney in Michael Clayton), supportive behaviour in relationships (an unspecified drama that was repeated during an Eid holiday featuring an American husband dealing with a drunk wife who smashed cars and crockery when she wasn't assaulting him and their child), and respect for the law over self-interest (Al Pacino and Robin Williams in Insomnia).

    In further evidence of the advance of US media in Saudi Arabia, the same cable revealed that one of Rupert Murdoch's sons held talks with the board of al-Eqtisadiah, a Saudi Arabian daily newspaper, about a deal to publish an Arabic version of the Wall Street Journal. The meeting was said to have been called at the behest of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, a billionaire businessman and shareholder in News Corporation. The 35% Bin Talal-owned SRMG media group, which owns al-Eqtisadiah, was also trying to win a contract to publish the International Herald Tribune uncensored in Saudi Arabia, the cable reveals.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-cables-letterman-housewives-saudi
     

    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
    22,871
    WikiLeaks cables: Saudis proposed Arab force to invade Lebanon

    Saudi Arabia proposed creating an Arab force backed by US and Nato air and sea power to intervene in Lebanon two years ago and destroy Iranian-backed Hezbollah, according to a US diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks.

    The plan would have sparked a proxy battle between the US and its allies against Iran, fought in one of the most volatile regions of the world.

    The Saudi plan was never enacted but reflects the anxiety of Saudi Arabia – as well as the US – about growing Iranian influence in Lebanon and elsewhere in the Middle East.

    The proposal was made by the veteran Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, to the US special adviser to Iraq, David Satterfield. The US responded by expressing scepticism about the military feasibility of the plan.

    It would have marked a return of US forces to Lebanon almost three decades after they fled in the wake of the 1983 suicide attack on US marine barracks in Beirut that killed 299 American and French military personnel.

    Faisal, in a US cable marked secret, emphasised the need for what he referred to as a "security response" to the military challenge to the Lebanon government from Hezbollah, the Shia militia backed by Iran and, to a lesser extent, Syria.

    The cable says: "Specifically, Saud argued for an 'Arab force' to create and maintain order in and around Beirut.

    "The US and Nato would need to provide transport and logistical support, as well as 'naval and air cover'. Saud said that a Hezbollah victory in Beirut would mean the end of the Siniora government and the 'Iranian takeover' of Lebanon."

    The discussion came just days after Hezbollah and other pro-Iranian and pro-Syrian groups in Lebanon laid siege to Beirut, threatening the pro-western government of Fouad Siniora, after 17 months of street demonstrations.

    Siniora survived, though only after making enormous concessions to Hezbollah. He was replaced by another pro-western leader, Saad Hariri, but Hezbollah remains a force in Lebanon, lionised by many Arabs after defeating Israel in the 2006 war along the Lebanese border.

    According to the cable Saud argued that a Hezbollah victory against the Siniora government "combined with Iranian actions in Iraq and on the Palestinian front would be a disaster for the US and the entire region". Saud argued that the present situation in Beirut was "entirely military" and the solution must be military as well. The situation called for an "Arab force drawn from Arab 'periphery' states to deploy to Beirut under the 'cover of the UN'."

    Saud said Siniora strongly backed the idea but the only Arab countries aware of it were Egypt and Jordan, along with the secretary general of the Arab League, Amr Moussa.

    No contacts had been made with Syria on any Beirut developments, Saud said, adding: "What would be the use?"

    Saud said that of all the regional fronts on which Iran was advancing, Lebanon would be an "easier battle to win" for the anti-Iranian allies.

    Satterfield responded that the "political and military" feasibility of the undertaking Saud had outlined would appear very much open to question, particularly securing UN agreement, but the US would study any Arab decision.

    Saud concluded by underscoring that a UN-Arab peacekeeping force coupled with US air and naval support would "keep out Hezbollah forever" in Lebanon.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-saudi-arab-invasion-lebanon
     

    Nenz

    Senior Member
    Apr 17, 2008
    10,420
    He should win the appeal on these charges. Either way he won't last long, he's pissed off the wrong super power(s).
     

    swag

    L'autista
    Administrator
    Sep 23, 2003
    83,457
    He's a hero and hopefully they release him because that's some bullshit they placed on his head. Anyhow, news will continue to pop up, not much of a use they have. The damage has been done already.
    He ain't a hero. He's an egotist in hero's clothing. :pado:

    What's funny are the guys at work here who used to collaborate with him on open source projects who are now like, "Man, I didn't think our email chats on code with him would come to this sort of thing."
     

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