Why are we not seeded for the CL?! (4 Viewers)

[Valley]

But somehow Inter and Arsenal are!

Milan, Arsenal, Liverpool, Barca, Bayern Munich, Inter, Liverpool, Man Utd, Real Madrid are the seeds.

What have Arsenal ever done in Europe? Let alone the fact that we won Serie A last season.

What is this based on?

 

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[Slagathor]

Winning Serie A doesn't mean ANYTHING for those seeds. They are solely based on your performances in the Champions League and not even Europe in general (ie also the UEFAcup).

UEFA counts the amounts of wins a team played and how far a team progressed in the last 5 seasons iirc

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Winning Serie A doesn't mean ANYTHING for those seeds. They are solely based on your performances in the Champions League and not even Europe in general (ie also the UEFAcup).

UEFA counts the amounts of wins a team played and how far a team progressed in the last 5 seasons iirc

we are still higher than arsenal and inter tho??

 

[Slagathor]

Not necessarily. Progressing from the group stages is something all those teams have done in the past seasons and if Arsenal and Inter did so with more points than we did, that means they could be well ahead of us.

I say 'could' cause I don't know the records from the head. I'm just saying progressing further than the others only isn't enough; you need to so with a massive amount of points if it's gonna make a difference.

EDIT: I tried searching UEFA.com but, god, that site is such a maze :doh:

 

[Slagathor]

YAY! Found it!

OK, never mind what I just said, here's the one and only explanatation.
Source: http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf

 

[#10]

looks like a load of bollox to me.:groan:

Cheers tho

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by John #10 ] ++
looks like a load of bollox to me.:groan:

Well then at least you understood it :wth:

 

[#10]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


Well then at least you understood it :wth:

Whats each nations coeficcient?

Why should the team be seeded on a basis of there teams in its nations??

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by John #10 ] ++
Whats each nations coeficcient?

Why should the team be seeded on a basis of there teams in its nations??

From uefa.com

COEFFICIENTS
Associations, clubs, access list

• Calculation system
The allocation of places per association for both the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup is made in accordance with a table of performances covering the previous five UEFA club competition seasons (ie. UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup).

This table (UEFA association coefficient rankings) is compiled annually, with the oldest season dropped each time for the purpose of the calculation. The table is compiled as follows: two points for a win (one point for qualifying round matches), one point for a draw (half point for qualifying round matches) and no points for a defeat.

Qualifying round results are taken into account only for the calculation of the association’s coefficient.

Until the 2003/04 season, clubs which reached the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup were awarded an extra point for each round. In addition, one point was awarded for participation in the UEFA Champions League.

From the 2004/05 season, clubs which reach the first knock-out round, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Champions League or the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Cup are awarded an extra point for each round. In addition, three points are awarded for participation in the UEFA Champions League.

Results obtained in the UEFA Intertoto Cup do not count for the coefficient rankings determining the number of places in the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Cup.

The points obtained each season by the clubs representing a national association are added, then divided by the combined number of clubs from the said association having taken part in the two UEFA club competitions in question to produce the coefficient value of the national association concerned. Points obtained in the UEFA Intertoto Cup are exempt from this stipulation. Coefficients are calculated to the thousandth, and not rounded up.

Points are awarded only for matches which have actually been played, in accordance with the results ratified by UEFA. Kicks from the penalty mark to determine which club qualifies or to determine the winners of a tie do not affect the actual result of the match.

• Club coefficient
The club coefficient, which is used for seeding purposes is made of the number of points obtained by the said club in the three UEFA club competitions over the last five seasons plus 33 percent of its national association coefficient. Qualifying round matches are not taken into account as far as individual club performances are concerned.

• Access list
The access list determines how many clubs per country will enter a club competition and at which stage.

Places in the UEFA Champions League are allocated as follows:
- title-holders
- three associations with four participants each
- three associations with three participants each
- nine associations with two participants each
- and the remaining associations with one participant each

Places in the UEFA Cup are allocated as follows:
- title-holders
- two associations with four participants each
- 12 associations with three participants each
- three associations with one participant each
- remaining associations with two participants each
- three clubs on the basis of UEFA’s Fair Play assessment
- as well as three clubs from the UEFA Intertoto Cup
- the 16 clubs eliminated in the third qualifying round of the UEFA Champions League, which join the UEFA Cup in the first round
- and the eight clubs which finish the first group stage of the UEFA Champions League in third place in their group, which join the UEFA Cup in the third round.

 

[Martin]

now who`s being chxta

 

[Zlatan]

Doesnt really matter IMO.

 

[Slagathor]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
now who`s being chxta

What do you want me to do? Conduct plagiarism and propaganda?

EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
On UEFA's coefficients

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/

The current nation standings:

 

[flieeeekke]

hohoho, i remember dan speaking about how germany should have more places in europe than england because their football is better. in fact, they should have less places than france (which is logical imo) and, portugal...

 

[mikhail]

I'm always surprised when people don't know about the coefficients. I guess they mean a lot more to you when your league is like 50th in the rankings, and seeding seriously affects your country's representatives chances of progressing past the first or second qualifier.

 

[Slagathor]

Or when you're 7th, constantly trying to regain 6th place and a third CL berth :doh:

 

[Mr. Gol]

Actually we were fifth in the 1996 period. Since then the French clubs have done alot better in Europe, probably because there's actually a team that can perform more then one season in a row.

 

[Slagathor]

That was almost ten years ago - I don't think we'll ever be fifth again.

 

[Camoranesi16]

if we win the CL this year or next year we will probably be Top5

 

[Slagathor]

Huh? Who? Sweden?

 

[Valley]

Nevermind, we got a good group anyway.