Why are Fifa/Uefa still waiting with the refereeing improvements? (2 Viewers)

[Nicholas]

Let's not forget that if this went to PKs, Ireland could have just as easily lost. It's not like Ireland was a guaranteed winner without that handball.

Still...



I think there was a real failure there. Henry aside, the referees have to be criticized for their ability to be duped by this. They didn't have a game of such major implications covered well enough. They didn't ask enough questions or raise any concerns.

If a referee allows this to happen on their watch, I would expect them to be demoted from their international duties for a while or something like that. You cannot have part-blind or unobservant officiating teams running matches of that importance. They just aren't that qualified anymore.

There are OK, good, and very good referees who make varying degrees of better decisions, varying degrees of observational intelligence, etc. There must be a weeding out of those who are qualified and those who are not. No bio-engineering required... only referee Darwinism.

Forgive me for sounding stupid but it's not possible for the ref to cover all angles for 90 minutes hence what the Linesman are there for to offer support. I feel they failt to do that on numberous occasions and the Referee gets hung,drawn and quartered for it.

 

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[Stephan]

And even with someone behind the goal, I bet you that you would STILL have situations such as these.

Maybe, but less def. Besides players would be "afraid" to cheat if ref is just behind him in the goal.

 

[Nicholas]

Was it Saha that got sent off for Everton when we had the 2 officials behind either goal in the Uefa Cup? That decision was ludicrous aswell. Its the standard of officiating that is the problem.

 

[Stephan]

Forgive me for sounding stupid but it's not possible for the ref to cover all angles for 90 minutes hence what the Linesman are there for to offer support. I feel they failt to do that on numberous occasions and the Referee gets hung,drawn and quartered for it.

The assistant referee support is quite useless. I actually dont quite get how the linesman can decide if a goal was in or not. (it was the linesman who decided the Pool-Chelsea goal, right?) He cant really see much from there where he stands.

Linesman can only really see the offsides, and fouls near the wide areas.

 

[Nicholas]

The assistant referee support is quite useless. I actually dont quite get how the linesman can decide if a goal was in or not. (it was the linesman who decided the Pool-Chelsea goal, right?)

Linesman can only really see the offsides, and fouls near the wide areas.

Can he not spot a handball?

 

[Bjerknes]

Maybe, but less def. Besides players would be "afraid" to cheat if ref is just behind him in the goal.

There are cameras everywhere. They know if they cheat they'll get caught anyway.

 

[Alen]

Can he not spot a handball?

With referees behind the goal, Henry's handball was gonna be spotted 100%.
The referee would have been right in front of Henry, but behind the line.

 

[Bjerknes]

Was it Saha that got sent off for Everton when we had the 2 officials behind either goal in the Uefa Cup? That decision was ludicrous aswell. Its the standard of officiating that is the problem.

But we aren't living in the stone age again. They have been trying to improve the "standard" of officiating for years, but it just seems like it's getting worse.

I think people who are hoping for an elite group of omnipresent officials are putting too much faith in humanity, if I can take it that far.

 

[Nicholas]

But we aren't living in the stone age again. They have been trying to improve the "standard" of officiating for years, but it just seems like it's getting worse.

I think people who are hoping for an elite group of omnipresent officials are putting too much faith in humanity, if I can take it that far.

True. All this talk of video evidence would take the edge of a game in my opinion. Controvesy like this is what gives Football such a strong talking point across the globe.

 

[Bjerknes]

True. All this talk of video evidence would take the edge of a game in my opinion. Controvesy like this is what gives Football such a strong talking point across the globe.

But the game shouldn't be about bad refereeing decisions. Swag, Deneb and others all harp on the fact that the game shouldn't be about TV viewers and folks off the pitch, but it shouldn't be a pissing contest of bad calls for people to fawn over either.

You have to cut off the head of the snake, and that head is the bad calls or the inability of the ref to see everything.

 

[Nicholas]

But the game shouldn't be about bad refereeing decisions. Swag, Deneb and others all harp on the fact that the game shouldn't be about TV viewers and folks off the pitch, but it shouldn't be a pissing contest of bad calls for people to fawn over either.

You have to cut off the head of the snake, and that head is the bad calls or the inability of the ref to see everything.

There are always two sides to an argument. I think Uefa have met in the middle with the experiment of more officials. Lets see how it goes and take it from there. I would rather not have video technology in football though.

 

[The Curr]

But the game shouldn't be about bad refereeing decisions. Swag, Deneb and others all harp on the fact that the game shouldn't be about TV viewers and folks off the pitch, but it shouldn't be a pissing contest of bad calls for people to fawn over either.

You have to cut off the head of the snake, and that head is the bad calls or the inability of the ref to see everything.

Spot on.

 

[Stephan]

Can he not spot a handball?

It depends of the situation. How many defenders are in the box. If the defending team players "cover" the incident with their bodies.

Actually the Henry situation, there is a split second where he is "uncovered" so the linesman should have seen the incident.

start watching from 0:36. At that moment no one is ahead, linesman should/could have seen it.

 

[Stephan]

There are cameras everywhere. They know if they cheat they'll get caught anyway.

And it doesnt seem to stop them.

One thing for sure, Henry will never visit Ireland on his holiday.

 

[swag]

But the linesman may not have seen it either. You have to remember that there are 23 people on the pitch along with posts that obscure views, so even the linesman might not see something so blatant.

And even with someone behind the goal, I bet you that you would STILL have situations such as these.

That statement suggests that if a group of four people cannot follow the ball during the match, then the system is fundamentally flawed in not having enough coverage.

But the game shouldn't be about bad refereeing decisions. Swag, Deneb and others all harp on the fact that the game shouldn't be about TV viewers and folks off the pitch, but it shouldn't be a pissing contest of bad calls for people to fawn over either.

You have to cut off the head of the snake, and that head is the bad calls or the inability of the ref to see everything.

Here's the thing. There are also a number of issues -- and Italian TV on Sunday nights is loaded with them -- that talk about nothing but "bad refereeing decisions" that are almost solely judged from the perspective that someone with a camera sitting remotely with a slow-motion replay has superior judgement about the call than any person on the pitch during the match at the time.

Some dicey calls are so blatant as yesterday's. But most are much more subtle. And you are making the value judgment and decision that what you see in Pennsylvania on a camera with slow-motion replays is superior than what a person at the game on the pitch has to say about the events in real time.

You're taking the stance that the slow-motion camera never lies. I'm telling you that it does lie -- or at least in how we interpret it -- and that in itself is an altered and flawed perspective on the reality of what happens on the pitch in real time.

 

[Nicholas]

Just for the record, whoever slagged Henry for celebrating like he did. If any of your countrys players who scored a goal like such to get there team into the world cup don't you think they would have done the same?

 

[Bjerknes]

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Some dicey calls are so blatant as yesterday's. But most are much more subtle. And you are making the value judgment and decision that what you see in Pennsylvania on a camera with slow-motion replays is superior than what a person at the game on the pitch has to say about the events in real time.

You're taking the stance that the slow-motion camera never lies. I'm telling you that it does -- that it itself is an altered and flawed perspective on reality.

OK, so who was correct with their analysis of last night? Me, or the officials?

I was correct, so nananana-boo-boo, the arm-chair folks you despise win again.

Catch my drift?

Sure, slow motion doesn't always tell the real story. But if you think that the human eye can always catch the truth in real time...

 

[Nicholas]

OK, so who was correct with their analysis of last night? Me, or the officials?

I was correct, so nananana-boo-boo, the arm-chair folks you despise win again.

Catch my drift?

Sure, slow motion doesn't always tell the real story. But if you think that the human eye can always catch the truth in real time...

Was that because you saw the incident more than once and in different angles? The official has a split second to decide. When I watched on TV I did not know Henry had handled the ball until I saw the replay.

 

[Bjerknes]

But that's the point.

 

[Nicholas]

But that's the point.

Indeed but I'd rather not have the game stopped for 10 seconds to see every arguable decision. Where does it end mate? do we dispute throwings, corners and goal kicks? it would be stop start.