Who is this Allah? (1 Viewer)

Chxta

Onye kwe, Chi ya ekwe
Nov 1, 2004
12,088
#1
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As a rule, I tend to avoid making comments on religious issues since by my very nature I tend to inspire provocative debate which as some of you who have met me (online or in real life) would have known by now. You see, religious issues much more than sports, ethnic or national issues tend to inspire some of the most irrational and passionate reactions from people, and I'd rather avoid those since I was involved in a particularly violent fight with a Jehovah's witness (would you believe that?) some 14 years ago. I think it is reasonable to fight over Milan-Juve, or over Nigeria-Cameroon, or over Igbo-Yoruba, such fights no matter how violent they become cannot match up to what people are capable of doing in God's name.

This would be my first post about religion on my blog, and hopefully my last. I believe that this thread came about as a Christian's reaction to what is happening as a result of the recent comments made by the Pope. On that issue, I think it is ignorance that is causing the over-reaction of not a few Muslims, and I would leave this one to be handled by other writers. I will try my possible best to ignore whatever outburst what I am about to say will provoke.

The subject under discussion is whether Yahweh or Jehovah is the same as Allah. My answer to that is yes. You see, this is a matter of lingua, not a matter of religion (which is why I am posting in the first place). I once read a cute little book titled Who is This Allah written by some fellow who had converted to Christianity from Islam. His prognosis prompted me to do some research into the matter, and what I came up with closely matched what you are about to see:

The word Allah is derived from a contraction of the Arabic words al- (the) and ilah (deity, masculine form) — al-ilah meaning "the god". Cognates of the name "Allah" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.

Both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars often translate "Allah" directly into English as "God"; and Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians refer to Allah as God. However, some Muslim scholars feel that "Allah" should not be translated, because they perceive the Arabic word to express the uniqueness of "Allah" more accurately than the word "god", which can take a plural "gods", whereas the word "Allah" has no plural form. This is a significant issue in translation of the Qur'an.

Centuries before the time of Muhammad, the word "Allah" was used by Jews (they also used the cognant Eloah) and pagan tribes in the Arabian peninsula to signify the chief deity. Much in the same way as Chukwu was used in Igbo to signify the chief deity (I wonder why then Chukwu and Allah are so different since they both transmutated from chief deity to only deity?)

The Hebrew word for deity, El or Eloah, was used as an Old Testament synonym for Yahweh, which is the proper name for God according to the Tanakh. The Aramaic word for God is Elaha and Alaha (Syriac), which comes from the same Proto-Semitic word (*ʾilah-) as the Arabic and Hebrew terms; Jesus is described in Mark 15:34 as having used the word on the cross, with the ending meaning "my", when saying, "My God (Eli), my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

What I am trying to point out here is this: Hebrew and Arabic belong to the same class of languages (Semitic languages), so they would always have similarities in almost all apects (Read: Mein haus ist braun in German and My house is brown in English which are both Teutonic languages).
 

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Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
8,065
#4
Cheta, I fail to see your point. Its well known that Hebrew and Arabic are very similar. The only value adding point is that you clarified the meaning of the world "Allah" to non-Arabic speaking members.

I also might want to add that in a purely linguistic and pre-Islamic sense, the plural of Allah would be "Aliha". But with Islam being a Monothesic religion, that has changed throughout the centuries, when the word "Allah" is said it explicitly means the one God, while the word "aliha" would mean any other set of "gods"...i.e the greek gods would be called Greek "aliha".
 
Oct 3, 2004
1,121
#9
All I know is that all the Christians in the Middle East [or at least the ones in Lebanon] refer to God in their Bible [injeel] as Allah, in Arabic.

Apparently He is the same as the Allah referred to in the Holy Qura'n.

EDIT - I changed the wording from Arab Christians, to Christians in the ME in order to be politically correct. Some Christian Lebanese refuse to be referred to as "Arabs" - which with all due respect, I don't blame them for it.
 

sadmir

Junior Member
Aug 18, 2006
51
#10
We dont need to talk about these things here, this web-site is only dedicated to juve and football, and the guy who posted this thread should go to "Lerry King Live", ur in the wrong place dude.
 

Cuti

The Real MC
Jul 30, 2006
13,517
#13
Rhizoid said:
All I know is that all the Christians in the Middle East [or at least the ones in Lebanon] refer to God in their Bible [injeel] as Allah, in Arabic.

Apparently He is the same as the Allah referred to in the Holy Qura'n.

EDIT - I changed the wording from Arab Christians, to Christians in the ME in order to be politically correct. Some Christian Lebanese refuse to be referred to as "Arabs" - which with all due respect, I don't blame them for it.
correct me if i'm wrong. But dont Islam believe in the old testament of the Bible as it is like theirs? Islam just don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God but only a prophet.


P.S
If it is not Islam tell me and i'll change it to whatever it is supposed to be. But if i remember correctly it was Islam.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
#16
Michael_Cutajar said:
correct me if i'm wrong. But dont Islam believe in the old testament of the Bible as it is like theirs? Islam just don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God but only a prophet.


P.S
If it is not Islam tell me and i'll change it to whatever it is supposed to be. But if i remember correctly it was Islam.
Yes, it's Islam, you're right...

But it's believed that the old Bible was much adjusted until it lost many important components...
 

Byrone

Peen Meister
Dec 19, 2005
30,778
#17
Rhizoid said:
All I know is that all the Christians in the Middle East [or at least the ones in Lebanon] refer to God in their Bible [injeel] as Allah, in Arabic.

Apparently He is the same as the Allah referred to in the Holy Qura'n.

EDIT - I changed the wording from Arab Christians, to Christians in the ME in order to be politically correct. Some Christian Lebanese refuse to be referred to as "Arabs" - which with all due respect, I don't blame them for it.

Ive asked Jack this question quite a while back the some of Lebanese ppl here refuse to be labelled "arab" & i found it quite strange to deny ones roots.

Could u explain this whole issue to me if at all possible?
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,645
#18
Rhizoid said:
All I know is that all the Christians in the Middle East [or at least the ones in Lebanon] refer to God in their Bible [injeel] as Allah, in Arabic.

Apparently He is the same as the Allah referred to in the Holy Qura'n.

EDIT - I changed the wording from Arab Christians, to Christians in the ME in order to be politically correct. Some Christian Lebanese refuse to be referred to as "Arabs" - which with all due respect, I don't blame them for it.
What ? Don't blame them for it but it's not only the "Christian" Lebanese who say that but also the Muslims and also other religions who are living there. Please, don't get mixed up with people and religion, it's the worst outcome and we've seen it in their history and in their own motherland. I'm not saying that they are as I have not researched into it but here's a small article.

Lebanon was the homeland of the Phoenicians, a seagoing people that spread across the Mediterranean before the rise of Alexander the Great. Carthage, which threatened Rome, was a Phoenician colony.

wikipedia
 

Naldo

New Member
Sep 18, 2006
1
#19
Byrone said:
Ive asked Jack this question quite a while back the some of Lebanese ppl here refuse to be labelled "arab" & i found it quite strange to deny ones roots.

Could u explain this whole issue to me if at all possible?
One's roots? Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, and Palistinean people are not arabs. Arabs invaded us and took our land to their empire, just like the Romans, the Persians, and the British/French. It's sad, we lost our culture, our history, our original languages, and everything, we lost our identity, because of the evil and corrupt arab emperors.

We've only gained Islam out of all that.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
#20
Naldo said:
One's roots? Lebanese, Syrian, Jordanian, and Palistinean people are not arabs. Arabs invaded us and took our land to their empire, just like the Romans, the Persians, and the British/French. It's sad, we lost our culture, our history, our original languages, and everything, we lost our identity, because of the evil and corrupt arab emperors.

We've only gained Islam out of all that.
Nice start, I have to say:p
 

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