Who is Al Saadi Gheddafi? (2 Viewers)

[swag]

If you were British and living in the 1700s, you could argue that some of the Revolutionary War Americans were terrorists. Maybe they didn't blow up civilians, but they violated a lot of the rules of engagement for "proper warfare" that existed previously.

It isn't entirely independent of perspective.

 

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[Amash]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++


This is about as weak as it gets..Americans, British, usually english speaking countries seem to always KNOW what the WORLD is thinking or NEEDS.

If you live in a third world country or worse, u would know about matters that are far worse than those you read about. I am not saying that Gaddafi isn't a terrosist, for anybody - Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Americans, Libyans, can be a criminal- but I just want to make the point that u guys should understand the world better before making a STATEMENT on BEHALF of THE WORLD!

Things which seems so cruel and criminal might infact be rightous. People like bin Ladin do have reasons for their actions although their actions are not at ALL acceptable, but if u guys understand the Cruelty of the US policy, and the cruelty of US lead Capitalization (all of which seem legitimate actions and very uncruel), I bet you will see the so called terrorist in a new angle.

I don't blame you guys for not understanding, because only by living in these places can you really understand.

Well done

 

[Azzurri7]

vOnAm, so i can understand from you that your blaming the British and Americans because they call him Terror???

Why is it always has to do with the Americans, why can't each one has his own opinion, am Lebanese and I think Moamar Ghaddafi is a Terror, see!!!!

 

[Rami]

And I think that both Bush and Ghaddafi are in the same basket....see

 

[Cronios]

Good thing to point out that today a terrorist is the man who doesnt agree with US politics, the international police officer-jugde,
But it seems its not the case here, i trust azzurri on that,
he probably know's better.

 

[Henry]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++


This is about as weak as it gets..Americans, British, usually english speaking countries seem to always KNOW what the WORLD is thinking or NEEDS.

If you live in a third world country or worse, u would know about matters that are far worse than those you read about. I am not saying that Gaddafi isn't a terrosist, for anybody - Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Americans, Libyans, can be a criminal- but I just want to make the point that u guys should understand the world better before making a STATEMENT on BEHALF of THE WORLD!

Things which seems so cruel and criminal might infact be rightous. People like bin Ladin do have reasons for their actions although their actions are not at ALL acceptable, but if u guys understand the Cruelty of the US policy, and the cruelty of US lead Capitalization (all of which seem legitimate actions and very uncruel), I bet you will see the so called terrorist in a new angle.

I don't blame you guys for not understanding, because only by living in these places can you really understand.

If you want a leader like Quadaffi, then you can have him. btw, are you a commie? cruelty of us policy and capitalization?? the US does more to help the poor of the world than any of other organization in the world. and no matter what your perspective, the numbers don't change.

 

[Rami]

++ [ originally posted by Cronios ] ++
Good thing to point out that today a terrorist is the man who doesnt agree with US politics, the international police officer-jugde,
But it seems its not the case here, i trust azzurri on that,
he probably now's better.

and Jury

 

[Rami]

++ [ originally posted by HWIENIAWSKI ] ++



If you want a leader like Quadaffi, then you can have him. btw, are you a commie? cruelty of us policy and capitalization?? the US does more to help the poor of the world than any of other organization in the world. and no matter what your perspective, the numbers don't change.

but could be manipulated

 

[Henry]

that's true, but when you look at aid output from the US compared to other entities, their is no need to manipulate.


Cronios-that's just a vague generalization that isn't true. Schroeder completely disagrees with Bush's policy, but that doesn;t make him a terrorist. their is a dif between not being tough on terrorists (understandable since the terrorists in question are muslim, and the muslim population in Europe is growing like crazy) and actually being one. and no, Bush can tell the difference-he isn't a complete moron

 

[Rami]

this listing does not include many, many U.S. "interventions" where U.S. troops were not the primary force - such as the U.S. intervention in the Greek civil war during the 1950s - nor does it include the many, many U.S. nuclear threats that one might well consider a form of intervention - such as the U.S. nuclear threat during the '73 Arab-Israeli war - nor does it include many CIA organized war efforts, such as the long war against the leftist Angolan government which was waged by the U.S. and racist South Africa - nor does it include all the countries intervened/invaded by the U.S. in World War I and World War II.

But anyway, here's some food for thought. The listing is comprised of the Country/Date/type of intervention/and a few specifics:

PHILIPPINES/l898-1910(-?)/Naval, troops/Seized from Spain, U.S. troops kill 600,000 Filipinos.

CUBA/l898-1902(-?)/Naval, troops/Seized from Spain, U.S. still illegally holds Navy base there over Cuban objections.

PANAMA/1901-03(-?)/Naval, troops/Broke off from Colombia in a U.S. organized 'rebellion', U.S. annexes Canal Zone.

HONDURAS/l903/Troops/U.S. Marines intervene in revolution.

DOMINICAN REP./1903-04/Troops/U.S. business interests protected in Revolution.

KOREA/1904-05/Troops/U.S. Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.

CUBA/1906-09/Troops/U.S. Marines land in democratic election.

NICARAGUA/1907/Troops/"Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate (psuedo- colony) set up.

HONDURAS/l907/Troops/U.S. Marines land during war with Nicaragua.

PANAMA/l908/Troops/U.S. Marines intervene in election contest.

NICARAGUA/l9l0/Troops/U.S. Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.

HONDURAS/1911/Troops/U.S. business interests protected in civil war.

CHINA/1911-41/Naval, troops/Continuous occupation with flare-ups

CUBA/1912/Troops/U.S. business interests protected in Havana.

PANAMA/l9l2/Troops/U.S. Marines land during heated election.

HONDURAS/l9l2/Troops/Marines protect U.S. economic interests.

NICARAGUA/1912-33/Troops, bombing/20-year occupation, fought guerrillas.

MEXICO/l9l3/Naval/Americans evacuated during revolution.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/1914/Naval/Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.

MEXICO/1914-18/Naval, troops/Series of interventions against Mexican nationalists.

HAITI/1914-34/Troops, bombing/19-year occupation after revolts.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/1916-24/Troops/8-year U.S. Marine occupation.

CUBA/1917-33/Troops/Military occupation, U.S. declares Cuba an economic protectorate (psuedo-colony).

USSR/1918-22/Naval, troops/Five landings to fight Bolsheviks in effort to overthrow the fledgling socialist government.

PANAMA/1918-20/Troops/"Police duty" during unrest after elections.

HONDURAS/l9l9/Troops/U.S. Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA/1920/Troops/2-week intervention against unionists.

TURKEY/1922/Troops/U.S. fought nationalists in Smyrna.

CHINA/1922-27/Naval, troops/Deployment during nationalist revolt.

HONDURAS/1924-25/Troops/Landed twice during election strife.

PANAMA/1925/Troops/U.S. Marines suppress general strike.

CHINA/l928-34/Troops/U.S. Marines stationed throughout the country.

EL SALVADOR/l932/Naval/Warships sent during Marti revolt.

KOREA/l951-53(-?)/Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats/U.S.& South Korea fight China & North Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in l950, and against China in l953. China accuses U.S. of biological warfare. Still have bases.

IRAN/l953/Covert/CIA overthrows democratically elected socialist premier, installs Shah as dictator.

GUATEMALA/l954/Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat/CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalizes U.S. companies' lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.

LEBANON/l958/Troops, naval/U.S. Marine occupation against rebels.

PANAMA/1958/Troops/Flag protests erupt into confrontation.

VIETNAM/l960-75/Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats/Fought South Vietnamese revolt & North Vietnam during the Vietnamese civil war; over two million Vietnamese casualties in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.

LAOS/1961/Covert/Military buildup during guerrilla war.

CUBA/l961/Covert/CIA-directed exile invasion fails.

PANAMA/l964/Troops/Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.

INDONESIA/l965/Covert/One million-plus killed in CIA-assisted army coup. CIA provides assassination lists to military, plus weapons.

DOMINICAN REPUBLIC/1965-66/Troops, bombing/U.S. Marines land during election campaign.

GUATEMALA/l966-67/Covert/Green Berets intervene against rebels.

CAMBODIA/l969-75/Bombing, troops, naval/Up to 2 million killed in decade during/after U.S. invasion of Cambodia and bombing, starvation, and political chaos.

OMAN/l970/Covert/U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion to intervene in Omani civil war.

LAOS/l971-73/Command operation, bombing/U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.

CHILE/1973/Covert/CIA funds and backs coup ousts democratically-elected Marxist president and installs brutal military dictatorship.

CAMBODIA/l975/Troops, bombing/Intervenes to seize captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.

IRAN/l980/Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing/Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.

LIBYA/l981/Naval jets/Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.

EL SALVADOR/l981-?/Covert/U.S. mercenaries, military advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war.

NICARAGUA/l981-90/Covert, naval/CIA funds, trains, equips and directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.

HONDURAS/l982-?/Troops/Maneuvers, help build bases near borders to intimidate Nicaragua.

LEBANON/l982-84/Naval, bombing, troops/Marines expel PLO and back Christian Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.

GRENADA/l983-84/Troops, bombing/Invasion four years after socialist revolution. U.S. installs puppet government.

LIBYA/l986/Bombing, naval/Air strikes try to topple nationalist gov't.

BOLIVIA/1987/Troops/Coast Guard and Army assists raids on cocaine region.

IRAN/l987-88/Naval, bombing/US intervenes on side of Iraq in Gulf War.

LIBYA/1989/Naval jets/Two Libyan jets shot down.

PANAMA/1989-?/Troops, bombing/Nationalist government ousted by invasion. U.S. installs puppet government and refuses to hold new elections.

LIBERIA/1990-?/Troops/Foreigners evacuated during civil war; troops protect CIA communications/listening post.

source: http://www.sumeria.net/politics/usa.html
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[Rami]

unlike the tsunami efforts, u dont see this in the media^^

 

[Cronios]

Hard to believe Bush isnt a complete moron,
anyways he doesnt run the show.

I m sure Bush would claim Schroeder a terrorist, Putin too!
If Germany,Russia, France etc etc werent part of the western block, ""allies"" and most of all if they had Irags, Jugoslavias, Vietnams, Lebanon's etc etc (military) war power and back up

 

[The Pado]

Maybe Gheddafi and I are both terrorists. But, I would never plant a bomb on a airplane just for the thrill of killing 382 people whom I've never met. That's not really going to do it for me. Gheddafi used to pull shit like that often enough, though. So, between us, he is more of a terrorist, I think.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++


This is about as weak as it gets..Americans, British, usually english speaking countries seem to always KNOW what the WORLD is thinking or NEEDS.

If you live in a third world country or worse, u would know about matters that are far worse than those you read about. I am not saying that Gaddafi isn't a terrosist, for anybody - Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Americans, Libyans, can be a criminal- but I just want to make the point that u guys should understand the world better before making a STATEMENT on BEHALF of THE WORLD!

Things which seems so cruel and criminal might infact be rightous. People like bin Ladin do have reasons for their actions although their actions are not at ALL acceptable, but if u guys understand the Cruelty of the US policy, and the cruelty of US lead Capitalization (all of which seem legitimate actions and very uncruel), I bet you will see the so called terrorist in a new angle.

I don't blame you guys for not understanding, because only by living in these places can you really understand.

It's not like you guys have to listen to us. As someone stated earlier if you are mentally capable you can form an opinion of your own.

And why does this always turn into a US vs. the world debate? I mean we are talking about Saadi Gheddafi here. Intsead of blaming the US perhaps you should blame terrorists like this who start the trouble.

 

[The Pado]

That guy wants to make it sound like only the USA and United Kingdom have branded the Libyan dictator as a "Terrorist". This is NOT the case. If most nations of the world had not also placed him on the list of terrorists, froze his assets, and cut off all economic relations with Libya (and yes, that is MOST nations of the world, not TWO nations of the world), then Colonel Gheddafi would not have had to change his image and go begging for forgiveness and trade partners.

 

[Majed]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Maybe Gheddafi and I are both terrorists. But, I would never plant a bomb on a airplane just for the thrill of killing 382 people whom I've never met. That's not really going to do it for me. Gheddafi used to pull shit like that often enough, though. So, between us, he is more of a terrorist, I think.

Pado... Do you really believe that he did it for "the thrill of killing 382 people?"

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by - vOnAm - ] ++


This is about as weak as it gets..Americans, British, usually english speaking countries seem to always KNOW what the WORLD is thinking or NEEDS.

If you live in a third world country or worse, u would know about matters that are far worse than those you read about. I am not saying that Gaddafi isn't a terrosist, for anybody - Muslims, Christians, Catholics, Americans, Libyans, can be a criminal- but I just want to make the point that u guys should understand the world better before making a STATEMENT on BEHALF of THE WORLD!

Things which seems so cruel and criminal might infact be rightous. People like bin Ladin do have reasons for their actions although their actions are not at ALL acceptable, but if u guys understand the Cruelty of the US policy, and the cruelty of US lead Capitalization (all of which seem legitimate actions and very uncruel), I bet you will see the so called terrorist in a new angle.

I don't blame you guys for not understanding, because only by living in these places can you really understand.

Im sorry but nations across the world placed him on the terrorist list... Not jus americans or british or even for that matter jus countries in the western world.

You can say hes not a terrorist as much as you like... It doesnt change the fact he is... The proof of his past acts is there for all to see.

Dont accuse the rest of the world of being ignorant to whats happening elsewhere in the world and dont tell me that all the people that say hes a terrorist dont really know whats going on and the state of these countries.Thats complete shite.

Some of us actually research these issues... some of us have actually been to these countries so dont tell me we dont know whats going on in these places and dont tell me i cant make an educated statement on these matters.

Maybe you should open your eyes and see the rfacts not everything as black and white... east versus west... America versus the world... christian versus muslim etc etc...

Its not like that

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++


Pado... Do you really believe that he did it for "the thrill of killing 382 people?"

You know me better than that Majed. Besides, there is no thrill involved at all, I am sure. No, I believe a man like Gheddafi protects airplane bombers because they hit out at his enemies and then this god-less man can rally people behind him by pretending it is all part of a grand us against them religious war.

 

[Amash]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++

Some of us actually research these issues... some of us have actually been to these countries so dont tell me we dont know whats going on in these places and dont tell me i cant make an educated statement on these matters.

If you have been in these countries you have been in 5star hotel like u r on vacation and can't make objective statement. My country is full of ****in strangers who are "trying" to help. They and their decisions have ruined this country. When they are asked how is situation in this country they say it is fine. Well for me would be fine also if I have montly payment about 5 or 10k € or much more.

 

[Respaul]

Dont make assumptions about me ... you have no idea when and why i have visited places... And no i didnt do hotels

You replied to my first statement and you said i was wrong yet allthough i offered examples (that are irrefutable, i might add) you have offered nothing back.. you havent shown that he isnt a terrorist... you have jus conveniently ignored the examples and stated im wrong... you have backed this up in no way whatsoever... jus saying i/we are ignorant and dont know whats going on....

Either back up your statement or button it