Who are the Arabs? (6 Viewers)

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
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#66
++ [ originally posted by snoop ] ++

that's crap,and I don't think he said that.
so if I learn dutch,I become a dutch? :undecide:
++ [ originally posted by Rami] ++
This is the full Paragraph from wikipedia:

A hadith of questionable authenticity[1], related by Ibn Asakir in Târîkh Dimashq and attributed by its narrator Salmân b. `Abd Allah to Islam's prophet Muhammad, expresses a common sentiment in declaring that:

"Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab."

From Islamtoday:
This hadîth is related by Ibn`Asâkir in Târîkh Dimashq. It is a very weak hadîth. Ibn `Asâkir, al-Dhahabî and al-Nasâ’î declared its narrator, Salmân b. `Abd Allah to be extremely weak and unreliable.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
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#67
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
jeeks, i hope i wont offend you when i say this but i always thought it ridiculous when some lebanese would say that they're phoenicians and not arab
I'm actually one of these. I consider myself more phoenician than arab. Not that I don't want to be an Arab, or anything, It's just that If you go back to history you'll see thata part of lebanon was ruled by phoenicians and there's still lot of Evidence and you may ask any history teacher....
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
8,065
#68
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++


No sir, they're indigenous people, in other words they were there before the arab invasion of the 8-9th century
This will probably bring us to another discussion, but I wouldnt call it an Arab Invasion, as much as Islamic expansion or even Islamic liberation. North Africa and Egypt embraced the the new religion with arms wide open. Indeed, as Amr Ibn Al-As army that went into Eygpt, continued into Libya with thousands of indigenous soldiers from Eygpt. Had it been an invasion why would the indigenous people go out with that army? As another example, Tariq Ibn Ziyad, the one credited with opening Andalucia along with Moussa Ibn Naseer, was a Berber.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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#69
with all due respect mister Rami, but historically speaking these people resisted the "muslim" infiltration, which after conflict de facto became invasion. Now dont get me wrong I am not incriminating anybody thats how things got done back in the day. bu the fact remains that north africa wasnt a walk in the park. On top of that the plotical rammification of it being an Ummayad invasion. Anyhoo if you were to check the history of it there was conflict. As far as why would one go with a foreign army, easy you want to be with the victor and the booty. I mean just look at hannibal he was able to recruit troops inside italy itself against the romans.
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
8,065
#70
++ [ originally posted by Altair ] ++
with all due respect mister Rami, but historically speaking these people resisted the "muslim" infiltration, which after conflict de facto became invasion. Now dont get me wrong I am not incriminating anybody thats how things got done back in the day. bu the fact remains that north africa wasnt a walk in the park. On top of that the plotical rammification of it being an Ummayad invasion. Anyhoo if you were to check the history of it there was conflict. As far as why would one go with a foreign army, easy you want to be with the victor and the booty. I mean just look at hannibal he was able to recruit troops inside italy itself against the romans.
I told you this will lead to a differend discussion;)

Anyhow there was of course resistance, but the fact is that Egypt and most north Africa was not ruled by their original people. The original people embraced Islam, and were fascinated by it's message of peace, diversity, racial equalism. War is never a walk in the park, what I am getting at that if it was an Arab invasion you would've found liberation movements and sooner or later the Arabs would be eventually kicked out. But that is not the case, all north Africa countries are up to this day Islamic. It just seems that there is a preconcieved notion that Islam was spread by the sword, which I totally refute. Indonesia the most populous Islamic country today, not one Islamic soldier set foot on those Islands. The sword was just used to move the barriers of the rulers who opressed their people back then and would have blocked the spread of Islam. Rulers were seen as a blocking stone in the way between the Islamic message and the masses. After the rulers were removed, people were free to choose their paths. Getting the message through was a top priority.
 
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JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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  • Thread Starter #72
    ++ [ originally posted by Azzurri7 ] ++


    I'm actually one of these. I consider myself more phoenician than arab. Not that I don't want to be an Arab, or anything, It's just that If you go back to history you'll see thata part of lebanon was ruled by phoenicians and there's still lot of Evidence and you may ask any history teacher....
    So what do you call the people from Iraq or Syria?

    Sumerians, Akkadians or Babylonians?
     
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    JCK

    JCK

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    Screw him
    I don't care, but he has to be given credit to the changes he did to Turkey.
     

    Bozi

    The Bozman
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    Oct 18, 2005
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    #77
    my girlfriend is italian,born and raised in italy but her dad is from algeria
    she has the dark look and the latin temperament:D
     
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    JCK

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    ++ [ originally posted by baggio ] ++



    Lebanese are the hottest arabian women, no doubt. I'm sure Azzuri would agree.
    Not only the Lebanese will agree.
     

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