Who are the Arabs? (19 Viewers)

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    ++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


    Yes I agree with that. The grounds for that comparison are personal; ie. I focused on how both regions (continents perhaps) have such an intertwined history. When you look at Europe; there are so many 'unifying' factors in that the English language, for example, finds it roots in the same languag as Dutch etc. And there are more examples.

    It depends on what you focus on of course.
    Actually what unifies Europeans above all is the land, they are all from Europe. However the Arabs are in Asia and Africa.
     

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    Slagathor

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    Actually what unifies Europeans above all is the land, they are all from Europe. However the Arabs are in Asia and Africa.
    Not true. Russians regard themselves as Europeans. So do many Turks and Icelanders.

    I know it's not the same, but I'm just saying the land is not the main factor.
     

    Hambon

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    As a weak hadith said: "Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab."


    that clearly defines the limits of who is and is not arab, that clearly shows the persians , jews and kurds are excluded
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


    Not true. Russians regard themselves as Europeans. So do many Turks and Icelanders.

    I know it's not the same, but I'm just saying the land is the main factor.
    I mentioned land as the above all factor, you mentioned it as the main one. Shall we agree that there has been redundancy there? :p
     

    GordoDeCentral

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    ++ [ originally posted by hambon78 ] ++
    As the Prophet Muhammed said: "Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab."


    that clearly defines the limits of who is and is not arab, that clearly shows the persians , jews and kurds are excluded
    what?? how did you come up with that conclusion? lol if anything it proves my point
     

    Slagathor

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    ++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++
    I mentioned land as the above all factor, you mentioned it as the main one. Shall we agree that there has been redundancy there? :p
    Blast I meant to say it's NOT the main factor
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by hambon78 ] ++
    As the Prophet Muhammed said: "Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab."


    that clearly defines the limits of who is and is not arab, that clearly shows the persians , jews and kurds are excluded
    What happens with Christians then?
     

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    ++ [ originally posted by hambon78 ] ++
    As the Prophet Muhammed said: "Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab."


    that clearly defines the limits of who is and is not arab, that clearly shows the persians , jews and kurds are excluded
    how about banu al qaynuqah and banu quraizah?? they spoke arabic, were they arab?
     
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    ++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++


    Blast I meant to say it's NOT the main factor
    Why not the main factor, a part of Russia and a part of Turkey ARE in the European continent?
     

    Slagathor

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    ++ [ originally posted by Jeeks ] ++
    Why not the main factor, a part of Russia and a part of Turkey ARE in the European continent?
    I'm saying the concept of "Europe" geographically has constantly changed throughout history. Therefor geographical confounds are not the main factor
     
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    jeeks, i hope i wont offend you when i say this but i always thought it ridiculous when some lebanese would say that they're phoenicians and not arab
    I find it silly as well. I personally don't know what to classify myself, in one way or another I consider myself as an Arab but I heard many times that an Arab should be a Muslim.
     
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    BTW Altair, where are you from? I admire your knowledge about Arabs not to forget your knowledge of the language.
     

    GordoDeCentral

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    I find it silly as well. I personally don't know what to classify myself, in one way or another I consider myself as an Arab but I heard many times that an Arab should be a Muslim.
    thats absolute bollocks! the only religion that's an ethnicity too is judaism. Christian arabs were around before the muslim ones ;) moreover Islam itself is embracing of other faiths anyway. The crazy thing about lebanon is there's no way for you to tell who's who..they all look hot :D
     
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    You won't admire it, but we admire that you know it. I never admired what they made me learn either.
     

    Rami

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    ++ [ originally posted by hambon78 ] ++
    As the Prophet Muhammed said: "Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab."


    that clearly defines the limits of who is and is not arab, that clearly shows the persians , jews and kurds are excluded
    I am not sure about that Hadith Hamid, nerver heard it before. Could you please give us more clarifications? i.e Bukhari or Muslim, or what book you got this?

    It is a really valid question, back in the days when Arabs were secluded in their peninsuela, there wasn't much of a problem. Most people living their were Arabs, bar the few Jew tribes in Medina and Khaibar. Even the Christians living in the south near Yemen and on the north borders (Ghassasina) were considered Arabs. Even after the Islamic expanions after the prophet's (PBUH) death, there was a clear distincion. There were the Arabs, and the new converts in Egypt, Persia, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, North Africa, and Spain. The important thing to note that being Arabic back in those days was not given much value. Indeed a myriad of the most influential Islamic scholars, scientsts, and figures were non-arabic. Bukhari, Muslim, Tirmizi who narrated most of the prophet's sayings were all from middle asia and revered by muslims and Arabs up to this day (Narrating the prophet's sayings or Hadeeth is a whole independant science, and very few could master it as whole). Sebaway was Persian, and he was the most important Arabic lingustic through all times. There was a general feeling of brethrenship back then, but as Islam waned, so did the brethrenship. The Arabs took pride in their race, the persians did the same, so did the Eyptians, Morrocans, Sinds...etc. which catalyzed the wanning of the empire. But Arabs were scattered all around the empire, so you could find traces of them almost everywhere. Lots of the Arabic families have family trees tracing them back 100 hundreds of years back, so those are deffinatly are Arabic. But then there are those who speak Arabic, may or may not be Muslims, but consider themselves Arabs and are not begrudged that right, and considered Arabs. But on the other side there are those who speak Arabic, may or may not be Muslims but could trace their roots back to a different race.

    Anyways IMO, I would consider any person who speaks Arabic, and takes pride in that being an Arab. Since you can rarely find a 100% pure Arab nowadays. Finally, I wouldn't put much emphasis on Arabism (funny I was just discussing this with Nawaf on MSN).

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