What was the point of taking this picture? (2 Viewers)
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If Im not mistaken that picture looks like it's taken in downtown Beirut.
That said, those are definitely not Lebanese, but look like tourists from the Gulf.
I don't feel "sorry" for these women. It's their culture, and they've been doing it for several years. I've met khaleeji covered up women, and they are all happy with the way they are...I don't understand why the west has to exploit this and turn it into "oppression". If it were Taliban - fine those guys have one too many screws loose in the head with their ideologies...
But millions of Muslim women comfortably wear the Hijab whether it's in liberal Lebanese society or strict Saudi Arabia.
That said, those are definitely not Lebanese, but look like tourists from the Gulf.
I don't feel "sorry" for these women. It's their culture, and they've been doing it for several years. I've met khaleeji covered up women, and they are all happy with the way they are...I don't understand why the west has to exploit this and turn it into "oppression". If it were Taliban - fine those guys have one too many screws loose in the head with their ideologies...
But millions of Muslim women comfortably wear the Hijab whether it's in liberal Lebanese society or strict Saudi Arabia.
well im arabic woman and you must know that they are not fored to ware that itis somthing for religiese women like the none and im sure they know each other very well they have aright to remember those moment even you see that it useless.... you dont know islam yet and how wonderful itis but any way not all arabic women dress like this
You're going on a fine line there, Jack. In christianity people are also obliged to go to church every sunday, yet that doesn't mean they actually do it. If Hoori calls herself a muslim she should wear a hijab in my eyes. However she should be free to choose whether she wants to be a muslim or not. And I guess that's the real issue at hand here.
Im just going to make a few points and hopefully I can clear up some of the confusion. Like Ze Tahir said it is up to the women. The veil(whom was worn by the Virgin Mary) represents modesty and decency. I live in the West where people can make their own decisions and I know lots of people who choose to wear it on their own and are happy about it( not with their face covered). They feel that it makes it easier to go about. I don't think people should look down at them for wanting to do something they believe in. In a time when people can choose their own sex and what they want to look like, people should be able to choose if they want to go the extra mile in modesty. Sure its the twenty first century, but that doesn't mean we start walkin around nude.
In the case of being heavely vieled, I know that the face is not required to be covered. There are some extremes. There is, like in every other religion, oppression. It is not some much in the case of having to wear that but the fact that they have no choice. I mean here in the U.S we are allowed to get educated travel, play sports, etc.. And people are supposed to know more about the Viel before putting one on( because wearing a viel is much more than physically wearing it- a women must have manners and be presentable in society) But in some countries women can't even drive. And this sadly but truly clouds the meaning of Islam. In the Quran the times women and men are mentioned are equal. The way some countries treat their women is wrong. I know the godless cowards( not men) of that puppet regime in Saudi Arabia are some of the biggest hypocrites. They act as if theyre soo religious, yet theyre the first ones lining up to open wh*re houses in another country. One day in another forum far far away we will talk about the truth-Never before seen on tv and the word Islam will not be attached to Bin Ladan, the kings of Saudi Arabia and Zarqawi for I declare now-If people like that call themselves Muslims, then I am DEFINETELY NOT a Muslim.
In the case of being heavely vieled, I know that the face is not required to be covered. There are some extremes. There is, like in every other religion, oppression. It is not some much in the case of having to wear that but the fact that they have no choice. I mean here in the U.S we are allowed to get educated travel, play sports, etc.. And people are supposed to know more about the Viel before putting one on( because wearing a viel is much more than physically wearing it- a women must have manners and be presentable in society) But in some countries women can't even drive. And this sadly but truly clouds the meaning of Islam. In the Quran the times women and men are mentioned are equal. The way some countries treat their women is wrong. I know the godless cowards( not men) of that puppet regime in Saudi Arabia are some of the biggest hypocrites. They act as if theyre soo religious, yet theyre the first ones lining up to open wh*re houses in another country. One day in another forum far far away we will talk about the truth-Never before seen on tv and the word Islam will not be attached to Bin Ladan, the kings of Saudi Arabia and Zarqawi for I declare now-If people like that call themselves Muslims, then I am DEFINETELY NOT a Muslim.
scorpion10 said:
Im just going to make a few points and hopefully I can clear up some of the confusion. Like Ze Tahir said it is up to the women. The veil(whom was worn by the Virgin Mary) represents modesty and decency. I live in the West where people can make their own decisions and I know lots of people who choose to wear it on their own and are happy about it( not with their face covered). They feel that it makes it easier to go about. I don't think people should look down at them for wanting to do something they believe in. In a time when people can choose their own sex and what they want to look like, people should be able to choose if they want to go the extra mile in modesty. Sure its the twenty first century, but that doesn't mean we start walkin around nude.
In the case of being heavely vieled, I know that the face is not required to be covered. There are some extremes. There is, like in every other religion, oppression. It is not some much in the case of having to wear that but the fact that they have no choice. I mean here in the U.S we are allowed to get educated travel, play sports, etc.. And people are supposed to know more about the Viel before putting one on( because wearing a viel is much more than physically wearing it- a women must have manners and be presentable in society) But in some countries women can't even drive. And this sadly but truly clouds the meaning of Islam. In the Quran the times women and men are mentioned are equal. The way some countries treat their women is wrong. I know the godless cowards( not men) of that puppet regime in Saudi Arabia are some of the biggest hypocrites. They act as if theyre soo religious, yet theyre the first ones lining up to open wh*re houses in another country. One day in another forum far far away we will talk about the truth-Never before seen on tv and the word Islam will not be attached to Bin Ladan, the kings of Saudi Arabia and Zarqawi for I declare now-If people like that call themselves Muslims, then I am DEFINETELY NOT a Muslim.:agree:
In the case of being heavely vieled, I know that the face is not required to be covered. There are some extremes. There is, like in every other religion, oppression. It is not some much in the case of having to wear that but the fact that they have no choice. I mean here in the U.S we are allowed to get educated travel, play sports, etc.. And people are supposed to know more about the Viel before putting one on( because wearing a viel is much more than physically wearing it- a women must have manners and be presentable in society) But in some countries women can't even drive. And this sadly but truly clouds the meaning of Islam. In the Quran the times women and men are mentioned are equal. The way some countries treat their women is wrong. I know the godless cowards( not men) of that puppet regime in Saudi Arabia are some of the biggest hypocrites. They act as if theyre soo religious, yet theyre the first ones lining up to open wh*re houses in another country. One day in another forum far far away we will talk about the truth-Never before seen on tv and the word Islam will not be attached to Bin Ladan, the kings of Saudi Arabia and Zarqawi for I declare now-If people like that call themselves Muslims, then I am DEFINETELY NOT a Muslim.:agree:
I know what you mean-Its just a strong figure of speech. I am not actually denouncing my religion. I just want people to know that those things that people do in the name of religion is not how our religion is supposed to be. The Prophet(s) once said-" If you see an injustice correct it with your hands, if you can not then speak out against it, if you can not speak out against it, then condemn it in your heart. I have not prosecuted, outcasted, nor killed anybody. People can think what they want but I condemn these oppressive governments and terrorists in my heart and I will speak out against them. I know its between them and God but that doesn't mean that we sit there and watch our religion under attack. These people that kill innocent people in the name of religion, and spread hatred are not muslims. It follows logically and simply-they can call themselves whatever they want but their time will come. All Islam is being stirred in with those riff-raffs and thugs. We don't have to prove anything to anybody, but there is still injustice being done. Those Shiaa who are murdered everyday in Iraq-I am not going to say we can not call Zarqawi but Muslim. Things are not only black and white.
In short words my point of view, and after reading some of the arguments here:
If women in those countries wear proudly their costumes, because they want, because they feel happy and honoured with it, then its fine.
When things dont work is when society and religion force this women to wear this, and get excluded in one way or another if they dont do it.
In the end, the clothes and everything else are objects,it proves nothing. What we really are and think is in our heads.
PD: And someone said that biological aspects dont come in consideration.... well maybe true in this debate but they cant be ignored. Wearing this kind of clothes in countries that are normally with high temperatures, must be a real torture, especially if u have to wear them because the society demands it to you.
If women in those countries wear proudly their costumes, because they want, because they feel happy and honoured with it, then its fine.
When things dont work is when society and religion force this women to wear this, and get excluded in one way or another if they dont do it.
In the end, the clothes and everything else are objects,it proves nothing. What we really are and think is in our heads.
PD: And someone said that biological aspects dont come in consideration.... well maybe true in this debate but they cant be ignored. Wearing this kind of clothes in countries that are normally with high temperatures, must be a real torture, especially if u have to wear them because the society demands it to you.
All I am saying is that its not up to me or you to say who is Muslim and who is not, as long as he says "la ilaha ila allah" is muslim as far as we are concerned. Speak out condemn and denounce their actions that they do in the name in Islam, but do not question their faith. Leave that to the creator.