What is your god like? (11 Viewers)

[DelpieroForLife]

I did not give any proof. I am not an expert in my religion, and i really don't know that much anyway. Someone more knowledgable than me might be able to prove it, i don't know. What i am saying is that Seven is just speculating.

"He might have lied, afterall xxx did it"

Imo that is irrelevant, like i said. I accuse you of stealing from me, you say you didn't. i say that Seven has done it before so you probably did it too. Not convincing imo.

Not only not convincing it doesn't go with the simplest principles of math and logic.

 

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[Raz]

Imo that is irrelevant, like i said. I accuse you of stealing from me, you say you didn't. i say that Seven has done it before so you probably did it too. Not convincing imo.

But isnt it more believable than god, someone which cannot be proven, told him to steal?

 

[Fred]

Sorry, i don't follow?

 

[Martin]

I did not give any proof. I am not an expert in my religion, and i really don't know that much anyway. Someone more knowledgable than me might be able to prove it, i don't know. What i am saying is that Seven is just speculating.

"He might have lied, afterall xxx did it"

Imo that is irrelevant, like i said. I accuse you of stealing from me, you say you didn't. i say that Seven has done it before so you probably did it too. Not convincing imo.

No, look. Two guys both claimed to tell the truth. Both are historical figures, not contemporary. What they said conflicts with each other, they cannot both be telling the truth. So why should anyone believe one of them if they don't believe the other one?

 

[Fred]

Neither has concrete evidence, but one has testimony of the people that lived with him, the other has nothing at all but speculation. I know which side i'll take.

 

[Raz]

Sorry, i don't follow?

Isnt it more believable that a man lied, than some supernatural being, whom no one has seen or talked told him so?

 

[Martin]

Neither has concrete evidence, but one has testimony of the people that lived with him, the other has nothing at all but speculation. I know which side i'll take.

I would agree with you if the claim was something like "I did an elastico on the pitch". In one case some people saw it and claim it happened. In the other case the guy had no witnesses.

But when the claim is "god gave me this book" I'm afraid that's not enough for me to believe any of them. Afterall, the only witness for god is the one guy. The others are just claiming he was illiterate etc.

 

[Fred]

Isnt it more believable that a man lied, than some supernatural being, whom no one has seen or talked told him so?

No it's not actually.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I would agree with you if the claim was something like "I did an elastico on the pitch". In one case some people saw it and claim it happened. In the other case the guy had no witnesses.

But when the claim is "god gave me this book" I'm afraid that's not enough for me to believe any of them. Afterall, the only witness for god is the one guy. The others are just claiming he was illiterate etc.

Do you rationally think Mohammed was faking the whole illiterate thing?

 

[Raz]

No it's not actually.

Guess its a matter of opinion then

 

[Alen]

Btw, Fred, do you think that the Quran is the perfect, timeless, and unchanging word of God?

 

[Fred]

Absolutely.

 

[Alen]

Absolutely.

What do you understand by "unchanging"?

 

[Martin]

Do you rationally think Mohammed was faking the whole illiterate thing?

I don't even know if there was a Mohammed. And I don't care. Because if this were a physical discovery then everyone would see that it's true whether or not they knew anything about the person who discovered it.

Do I believe there is an American continent? Yes. Do I know who discovered it, and his whole life story? No.

 

[Fred]

What do you understand by "unchanging"?

I assume you mean that, it has never changed over history and that it was the exact quotes that came from God.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I don't even know if there was a Mohammed. And I don't care. Because if this were a physical discovery then everyone would see that it's true whether or not they knew anything about the person who discovered it.

Do I believe there is an American continent? Yes. Do I know who discovered it, and his whole life story? No.

I'm just wondering, do you believe I exist?

 

[Martin]

Absolutely.

Can you speculate on why god revealed this book to some illiterate guy in the desert, while snubbing for example South East Asia? Was it his plan all along that for instance Indonesia, which today is mostly a Muslim country, did not receive his words until a thousand years later? Were they not worthy or what?

 

[Alen]

I assume you mean that, it has never changed over history and that it was the exact quotes that came from God.

Yeah, absolutely no aberrations from the standard qoranic text, right? No unconventional verse orderings no textual variations etc. It's exactly the way God said it.

 

[Fred]

Can you speculate on why god revealed this book to some illiterate guy in the desert, while snubbing for example South East Asia? Was it his plan all along that for instance Indonesia, which today is mostly a Muslim country, did not receive his words until a thousand years later? Were they not worthy or what?

No i cannot speculate, you have to go to a cleric(a real one, not the radical extremists in the Saudi, nor the government appointed ones that are there to serve personal interests) to answer that question for you.

 

[Martin]

I'm just wondering, do you believe I exist?

Who is "I"? I believe that some human is using an account called DelpieroForLife to talk to me on this forum.